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? Rhetorica Your Writing System Sucks
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, Kelatetía, Koitra, Illera
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Totes. I've created it as a normal page within the Natlangs collection and linked it in the header. If you want to restrict editing to a subset of the current Reference editors, elect a moderator for it and I'll make a dedicated user group. The page is here.
? dhok posts: 235
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If nobody objects, I'm more than happy to mod it.
? Hallow XIII Primordial Crab
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, 侯, Basel, Switzerland
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I object because you have ideas.
? Pthagnar Benedictine Ovulation
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, Quaestor, Hole of Aspiration
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i object because no mods no masters
? Rhetorica Your Writing System Sucks
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, Kelatetía of Space
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...I think I may start moving these blatantly silly thread derailments into Hurq's thread.

EDIT: it turns out the 'revolutionary derailment' thread is a better dumping ground, since Hurq's thread has some coherent conversation.
? Morrígan Witch Queen of New York
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You really should; I feel bad about even getting involved, though I'm fairly proud of my little composition. But I  think Pthag is clearly to blame.
? Rhetorica Your Writing System Sucks
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, Kelatetía of Space
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Okay... going back to the somewhat serious conversation, how does everyone actually feel about this? Sorry it's been like a month since I've been really involved in the community; my life's been a nightmare. (But we can talk about that some other time.)
? Hallow XIII Primordial Crab
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, 侯 at Basel, Switzerland
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I forget what we were talking about, but I still categorically object to dhok modding just about anything.

P.S. Wait, was it the language textbook reference? I add to my categorical objection the specific objection that dhok's ideas on how that should be have so far run counter to those of everyone else he has talked to on the subject, at least in my presence.
? Torco Learner of Stuff
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I claim that dhok is already moderator of the world. thus, reapponting him would be redundant
? Hallow XIII Primordial Crab
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, 侯 at Basel, Switzerland
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take ur dialectical materialism & shove it up ur

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? hwhatting posts: 105
, Sophomore, Almaty, Kazakhstan
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German irregular verbs page (http://anthologi.ca/?id=209491)
A few remarks:
1) For presentation purposes, I think the auxiliary verbs deserve a separate treatment, as their stem vowels differ between present sg. and pl. (or at least this should be mentioned), e.g.:
können - sg. kann, pl. können
2) Typos:
In the present tense form for bieten, the final "t" is missing: bietet
In the present tense form for fangen, the "g" is missing: fängt
The past forms for bleichen are blich, geblichen (without t)

3) The following verbs are missing:
wiegen "weigh" (like fliegen),
sprießen "sprout" (like fließen),
spinnen "spin" (like rinnen),
winden "wind", dringen "penetrate, insist" (like finden)
werben "woo, recruit, advertise" (like bergen)
verzeihen "forgive" (like bleiben) - the simplex zeihen "accuse" exists, but is obsolescent
weichen "give way, subside", verschleißen "wear down" (like beißen)

Separate type /ɛː/ /iː/ /oː/ /oː/
gebären, gebiert, gebar, geboren "bear (a child)"

4) Are you sure about the following forms:
a) The weak forms of bersten - I've never encountered them and Duden doesn't know them as well.
b) The perfect participle of  dürfen is gedurft (all modal auxiliaries are ablauting weak verbs).

5) If you want to consequently give weak alternatives where they exist, include the following:
schaffen, schaffte, geschafft "manage"   
scheinen, scheinte, gescheint "shine" - in the presciptive standard, "seem" is strong and "shine" is weak, but people also fequently use the strong forms for "shine"
bleichen, bleichte, gebleicht "bleach" - the transitive verb is always weak, for the intransitive verb "to pale" the strong forms are obsoleescent, they are alive only in the prefixed verbs erbleichen, verbleichen; ausbleichen nowadays normally uses the weak forms, but the strong participle ausgeblichen is still in use, especially as adjective.
? Serafín posts: 48
, 農, Canada
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Two native speakers looked at my table and offered corrections (cedh, guitarplayer), and yet there was more! Thanks for your post, I took it into account.
quoting hwhatting, Disinterest, Almaty, Kazakhstan:
A few remarks:
1) For presentation purposes, I think the auxiliary verbs deserve a separate treatment, as their stem vowels differ between present sg. and pl. (or at least this should be mentioned), e.g.:
können - sg. kann, pl. können
I still do not think this is too important for the table, as long as the different vowel is listed. The plural present forms always take the vowel of the infinitive anyway.
2) Typos:
In the present tense form for bieten, the final "t" is missing: bietet
In the present tense form for fangen, the "g" is missing: fängt
The past forms for bleichen are blich, geblichen (without t)
Typos corrected.

3) The following verbs are missing:
wiegen "weigh" (like fliegen),
sprießen "sprout" (like fließen),
spinnen "spin" (like rinnen),
winden "wind", dringen "penetrate, insist" (like finden)
werben "woo, recruit, advertise" (like bergen)
verzeihen "forgive" (like bleiben) - the simplex zeihen "accuse" exists, but is obsolescent
weichen "give way, subside", verschleißen "wear down" (like beißen)

Separate type /ɛː/ /iː/ /oː/ /oː/
gebären, gebiert, gebar, geboren "bear (a child)"
Verbs added.

4) Are you sure about the following forms:
a) The weak forms of bersten - I've never encountered them and Duden doesn't know them as well.
Alright, eliminated them.

b) The perfect participle of  dürfen is gedurft (all modal auxiliaries are ablauting weak verbs).
Corrected.

5) If you want to consequently give weak alternatives where they exist, include the following:
schaffen, schaffte, geschafft "manage"   
scheinen, scheinte, gescheint "shine" - in the presciptive standard, "seem" is strong and "shine" is weak, but people also fequently use the strong forms for "shine"
bleichen, bleichte, gebleicht "bleach" - the transitive verb is always weak, for the intransitive verb "to pale" the strong forms are obsoleescent, they are alive only in the prefixed verbs erbleichen, verbleichen; ausbleichen nowadays normally uses the weak forms, but the strong participle ausgeblichen is still in use, especially as adjective.
Alternatives added.
? hwhatting posts: 105
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Great! Thanks for doing this!
And life's like this, there will probably many more Germans poring over this and pointing out typos and mistakes the previous onlookers overlooked. We Germans are a bunch of nitpickers. ;-)
? Hallow XIII Primordial Crab
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, 巴塞尔之侯
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I am terribly sorry for this intrusion into our collective tomb, but I've started working on a short introduction to discourse pragmatics ând structure for conlangers, on the grounds of... Well, as far as I can tell, there isn't even such a thing for academic linguists, so I figured I might as well write at least a small sketch for personal reference.

I will put it in the Annie reference as a primary online access point, so you are all cordially invited to contribute.
? Hâlian the Protogen
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, Alípteza @ Central Florida
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quoting Hallow XIII, 巴塞尔之子:
collective tomb

I'm bloody well alive you coward
? Rhetorica Your Writing System Sucks
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, Kelatetía: Dis, Major Belt 1
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Well, get digging, then!
? Hâlian the Protogen
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, Alípteza @ Central Florida
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quoting Rhetorica, Kelatetía: Dis, Major Belt 1:
Well, get digging, then!

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