Kala grammar
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? Torco Learner of Stuff
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quoting Nessari, Illúbequía, Seattle, Cascadia:
Wikipedia, and the rise of the Tyranny of Phonologies.

Since now posting a phoneme inventory is haram
gold told me this so it is obviously true
? Morrígan Witch Queen of New York
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// instead of [] in a bunch of places

In the Allophony section, the description of s and ts is kind of vague. Like, ts is /tʃ/ except when it's /tʃ/. Also, does s become [s] when there is a /ts/ in an adjacent syllable?
? masako posts: 206
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"Like, ts is /tʃ/ except when it's /tʃ/"

It doesn't say that, does it? The idea is that the are most often /ʃ/ and /tʃ/ unless adjacent, then "s" is /s/

"// instead of [] in a bunch of places" Where?
? Morrígan Witch Queen of New York
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Both ”s” & ”ts” are /ʃ/ and /tʃ/ respectively, unless immediately preceded or followed by one another, then ”s” is always /s/ and ”ts” is always /tʃ/.

I presumed the second one is a typo. Also, since this is a section on allophony, it looks like the // vs [] use is wrong, unless the 'alternation' is actually based on a weird orthographic convention.
? masako posts: 206
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"a weird orthographic convention."

I guess you could say that as [s] and [ts] are dentals and [ʃ] and [tʃ] are palatals...
? Morrígan Witch Queen of New York
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Yeah, I just mean that the passage could be read to suggest that <s> represents the phoneme /s/ in some positions and /ʃ/ in others, but I assume the intention is that /s/ occurs as [ʃ] in most positions but as [s] in others.
? masako posts: 206
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Exactly.

As [ʃ] in most positions but as [s] when ajdacent to <ts>...that may be a better summary of it. Thank you!
? masako posts: 206
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NB: the text based phoneme inventory has this:

"Where ~ appears, it indicates free variation between phonemes.

Affricates: ts – /t͡s~t͡ʃ/, tl – /t͡l~ t͡ɬ/
Continuants: s – /s~ʃ/, h – /h~ɦ/, l – /l~r/"

So would that even be allophony, really?
? Morrígan Witch Queen of New York
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TBH, I've never been 100% clear on the meaning of "free variation"; I always thought that meant unconditioned, but I feel that I've seen it used in a way which excluded that possibility.

After doing some quick searching, it seems that my initial impression is correct, and that it does count as allophony; that sort of basic thing is probably better to put in the inventory, since there isn't much to it. Save conditioned allophony for the allophony section itself.
? masako posts: 206
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Cool. Thanks.

Take your time and peruse the other sections. I value your input.
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http://anthologi.ca/?id=224498

Just gonna leave this right here...
? Morrígan Witch Queen of New York
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It looks good, I haven't seen anything else that's really unclear. I'd suggest thinking about laying out the verbs a little differently, maybe just showing a template for all of the possible morphemes in order (the verb seems moderately synthetic).
? masako posts: 206
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"It looks good, I haven't seen anything else that's really unclear."

Awesome, thank you for reading.

"I'd suggest thinking about laying out the verbs a little differently, maybe just showing a template for all of the possible morphemes in order"

Can you link to an example of what you mean? I live by examples. (yes, it's the only way I know how)

"the verb seems moderately synthetic"

I'm not linguistically illiterate...but I don't know what that means.

OK, looked it up here...I get it, yes, I want to have that...the ability to be word = (short) phrase, but that not be the only form of a verb...hence, the (temporal/locative) adverbials.
? Morrígan Witch Queen of New York
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Basically, just a template of where morphemes go in the verb complex, like

Past Prefix
Agent Agreement Marker
Aspect Prefix
{Tense Stem}
Modal Suffix
Patient Agreement Marker


It's kind of good way to get an overview of what things might be marked on the verb. Obviously, it's more helpful for language which are polysynthetic, where there are a dozen morphemes that can go into a verb.
? masako posts: 206
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quoting Morrígan, Countess:
Basically, just a template of where morphemes go in the verb complex, like

Past Prefix
Agent Agreement Marker
Aspect Prefix
{Tense Stem}
Modal Suffix
Patient Agreement Marker


It's kind of good way to get an overview of what things might be marked on the verb. Obviously, it's more helpful for language which are polysynthetic, where there are a dozen morphemes that can go into a verb.

OOh...I like charts and tables...I will work on it...thank you again. You're awesome.

? masako posts: 206
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Like this:

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na empahipankoyek - 1SG run-DIM-able-PROG-PST-NEG – I was not able to keep jogging.
? Morrígan Witch Queen of New York
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Yeah that's cool. I was actually not even thinking of something quite as detailed, but that's great way to show the morphological information.
? masako posts: 206
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http://footballbatsandmore.wordpress.com/kala-grammar/

Ok...it's not perfect, and I plan on reviewing/tweaking it once a week (yeah right, a month) but this is what I am telling people at parties is the "official Kala grammar". Sounds so, dramatic.

Let me know what you think, suggestions, questions, comments, etc.

Thanks everyone.
? masako posts: 206
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It's kinda redundant, but hey, why not.

https://footballbatsandmore.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/naho1.pdf << PDF of Kala grammar if anyone would care for it.

? masako posts: 206
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Still looking for feedback should anyone have a minute or the inclination. Thank you in advance.
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