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? masako posts: 206
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http://footballbatsandmore.wordpress.com/kala-grammar/naho-tao/

This is the latest revision of Kala's grammar. Please, be brutal.

My goal is a short description that encompasses as much info as is necessary to produce coherent language.

Thanks in advance.
? Hâlian the Protogen
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Very nice.

It makes me sad that I can't into reference grammars ):
? Nessari ?????? ?????? ????????
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Like I keep telling you, just start, and worry about the layout later.
? masako posts: 206
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quoting Hálian, Baron, Florida:
Very nice.

It makes me sad that I can't into reference grammars ):

Huh?

quoting Nessari, Illúbequía, Seattle, Cascadia:
Like I keep telling you, just start, and worry about the layout later.

I am confused...I don't remember that convo. But, ok.

? Hallow XIII Primordial Crab
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Nessari was talking to Halian, who was complaining that he is not good at writing grammars.
? masako posts: 206
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Oh. I see. Thx.
? Nessari ?????? ?????? ????????
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Halian desperately wants to write a reference grammar, but won't start until he has the exact perfect layout decided beforehand.
? masako posts: 206
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quoting Nessari, Illúbequía, Seattle, Cascadia:
Halian desperately wants to write a reference grammar, but won't start until he has the exact perfect layout decided beforehand.

I gather.
? Hâlian the Protogen
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quoting Nessari, Illúbequía, Seattle, Cascadia:
Halian desperately wants to write a reference grammar, but won't start until he has the exact perfect layout decided beforehand.

False. The problem seems to be a combination of lack of linguistic jargon knowledge and terrible indecision.
? Torco Learner of Stuff
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can't help you with the indecision, this is something you must overcome yourself in order to become a fuller, more mighty kind of yourself. But as for linguistic jargon, why do you think there used to be all those posts amounting to "hey guise, what would you call this" or "what is the name of that feature" in the old conlangosphere?
<and come to think of it where did they go?>
? Nessari ?????? ?????? ????????
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Wikipedia, and the rise of the Tyranny of Phonologies.
? masako posts: 206
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Thx gyz. Kala gramerz iz helpd.
? Torco Learner of Stuff
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quoting Nessari, Illúbequía, Seattle, Cascadia:
Wikipedia, and the rise of the Tyranny of Phonologies.

Since now posting a phoneme inventory is haram
gold told me this so it is obviously true
? Morrígan Witch Queen of New York
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// instead of [] in a bunch of places

In the Allophony section, the description of s and ts is kind of vague. Like, ts is /tʃ/ except when it's /tʃ/. Also, does s become [s] when there is a /ts/ in an adjacent syllable?
? masako posts: 206
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"Like, ts is /tʃ/ except when it's /tʃ/"

It doesn't say that, does it? The idea is that the are most often /ʃ/ and /tʃ/ unless adjacent, then "s" is /s/

"// instead of [] in a bunch of places" Where?
? Morrígan Witch Queen of New York
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Both ”s” & ”ts” are /ʃ/ and /tʃ/ respectively, unless immediately preceded or followed by one another, then ”s” is always /s/ and ”ts” is always /tʃ/.

I presumed the second one is a typo. Also, since this is a section on allophony, it looks like the // vs [] use is wrong, unless the 'alternation' is actually based on a weird orthographic convention.
? masako posts: 206
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"a weird orthographic convention."

I guess you could say that as [s] and [ts] are dentals and [ʃ] and [tʃ] are palatals...
? Morrígan Witch Queen of New York
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Yeah, I just mean that the passage could be read to suggest that <s> represents the phoneme /s/ in some positions and /ʃ/ in others, but I assume the intention is that /s/ occurs as [ʃ] in most positions but as [s] in others.
? masako posts: 206
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Exactly.

As [ʃ] in most positions but as [s] when ajdacent to <ts>...that may be a better summary of it. Thank you!
? masako posts: 206
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NB: the text based phoneme inventory has this:

"Where ~ appears, it indicates free variation between phonemes.

Affricates: ts – /t͡s~t͡ʃ/, tl – /t͡l~ t͡ɬ/
Continuants: s – /s~ʃ/, h – /h~ɦ/, l – /l~r/"

So would that even be allophony, really?
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