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Reference Wiki Discussion/Collaboration Thread (2019-05-28 15:35:31) :
Well, get digging, then!
Well, get digging, then!
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2019-05-28 15:35:31.
Newtlang incubator (NP: glot-taolic theory) (2019-05-23 19:56:47) :
That's deeply understandable.
That's deeply understandable.
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2019-05-23 19:56:47.
Money Thread (2019-05-23 19:55:24) :
Convertible currencies! A perfect example of a nerd-magnetic curiosity, and yet it somehow has evaded any constuff I can think of. Brilliant idea.
I'm afraid I may have some strong opinions about that writing system, though. It's not a good sign when each element in a featural writing system has its own postal code. Maybe try making the vertical and horizontal lines shorter? It's okay as-is for a couple of words, but that is definitely not a font you'd typeset a book in.
Convertible currencies! A perfect example of a nerd-magnetic curiosity, and yet it somehow has evaded any constuff I can think of. Brilliant idea.
I'm afraid I may have some strong opinions about that writing system, though. It's not a good sign when each element in a featural writing system has its own postal code. Maybe try making the vertical and horizontal lines shorter? It's okay as-is for a couple of words, but that is definitely not a font you'd typeset a book in.
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2019-05-23 19:55:24.
Translate the previous sounds (2019-05-02 16:16:56) :
[b]frangje[/b] [ˈfɾɒ:ŋʲe] → [b]farán gé[/b] [faˈɹɐːnˀ ge̞] "to go from amount" (using the genitive rather than the ablative), i.e., go big or go home (Ketalán Lilitika)
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Tshentkoisasa [t͡ɕɛntʰˈχoɪɹ̝̊aɹ̝̊a][note][ɹ̝̊] is a slightly-lisped [!s], as in a mild Castillian accent[/note] "the ritual touring of one's past homes prior to marriage" (Doisseian Lilitika)
[b]frangje[/b] [ˈfɾɒ:ŋʲe] → [b]farán gé[/b] [faˈɹɐːnˀ ge̞] "to go from amount" (using the genitive rather than the ablative), i.e., go big or go home (Ketalán Lilitika)
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Tshentkoisasa [t͡ɕɛntʰˈχoɪɹ̝̊aɹ̝̊a][note][ɹ̝̊] is a slightly-lisped [!s], as in a mild Castillian accent[/note] "the ritual touring of one's past homes prior to marriage" (Doisseian Lilitika)
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2019-05-02 16:17:27.
Newtlang incubator (NP: glot-taolic theory) (2019-04-23 22:37:21) :
Pfft. You jⱵst don't want tⱵ credⱵt ClaudiⱵn.
Pfft. You jⱵst don't want tⱵ credⱵt ClaudiⱵn.
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2019-04-23 22:37:21.
Karch's scratchpad (2019-04-19 15:42:45) :
...Those also merit explanation.
...Those also merit explanation.
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2019-04-19 15:42:45.
Karch's scratchpad (2019-04-18 23:18:44) :
You can't name a language "what" without providing backstory! Is it an endonym or the hilarious product of first contact?
You can't name a language "what" without providing backstory! Is it an endonym or the hilarious product of first contact?
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2019-04-18 23:18:44.
Bugs, Requests, and Changes (2019-04-18 23:13:25) :
Followup: after looking at the data behind Halian's alt I'm more inclined to think those are Gravatar failures. Will look into it more when I can.
Followup: after looking at the data behind Halian's alt I'm more inclined to think those are Gravatar failures. Will look into it more when I can.
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2019-04-18 23:13:25.
Bugs, Requests, and Changes (2019-04-18 23:06:24) :
IIRC Halian never gave his alt an avatar after I fixed the underlying problem. Those are just, ah, casualties. I'll edit their user entries so the site no longer mistakenly believes they uploaded avatars.
IIRC Halian never gave his alt an avatar after I fixed the underlying problem. Those are just, ah, casualties. I'll edit their user entries so the site no longer mistakenly believes they uploaded avatars.
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2019-04-18 23:06:25.
Newtlang incubator (NP: glot-taolic theory) (2019-04-17 20:44:52) :
[quote twabs, Conversational Speaker]ͱ in the middle of Greek[/quote]
ಠ_ಠ
[quote twabs, Conversational Speaker]ͱ in the middle of Greek[/quote]
ಠ_ಠ
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2019-04-17 20:44:52.
Featured Articles (Nominations, etc.) (2019-03-26 19:28:46) :
I've been reading the very excellent Kill Six Billion Demons comic recently, which has an exhaustingly nuanced hagiography based on a fundamental divine order. Consequently, when I went back to look at 2L, its purpose and design was readily apparent even in the absence of a monograph describing its purpose. So, here is my attempt at deciphering the notes Anguipes has left us.
The [b]monumental-style script of the Second Language[/b] is an elaborate logographic system built on the names ...
I've been reading the very excellent Kill Six Billion Demons comic recently, which has an exhaustingly nuanced hagiography based on a fundamental divine order. Consequently, when I went back to look at 2L, its purpose and design was readily apparent even in the absence of a monograph describing its purpose. So, here is my attempt at deciphering the notes Anguipes has left us.
The [b]monumental-style script of the Second Language[/b] is an elaborate logographic system built on the names ...
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2019-03-26 19:29:07.
Pretty Scripties Showcase Thread (2019-03-20 20:30:16) :
Fair question. The motivation behind <dt> was partly one of visual aesthetics; the prototypical word (and most frequent cause of use) is the highly productive suffix [i]-idt-[/i] (/ɪɾ/), "point," which is responsible for the /ɾ/ in vêdt-. I wanted to do something that wasn't painfully unoriginal with the standard transliteration, which has a pretty obvious bias toward English. The particular form has two bases: <dt> represents an easy English mnemonic for how to pronounce the letter,...
Fair question. The motivation behind <dt> was partly one of visual aesthetics; the prototypical word (and most frequent cause of use) is the highly productive suffix [i]-idt-[/i] (/ɪɾ/), "point," which is responsible for the /ɾ/ in vêdt-. I wanted to do something that wasn't painfully unoriginal with the standard transliteration, which has a pretty obvious bias toward English. The particular form has two bases: <dt> represents an easy English mnemonic for how to pronounce the letter,...
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2019-03-20 20:30:16.
Pretty Scripties Showcase Thread (2019-03-20 03:31:38) :
That's an oversight. It's <ú>, which is just /uː/. Within Lilitika's tense-lax system, /uː iː eː/ <ú í é> are paired with /ʌ ɪ ɛ/ <u i e>. Usually the accent of a word has to fall on a tense vowel, with the unpaired /oː/ <o> also counting as tense and the unpaired /a/ <a> counting as lax. Designating where stress falls in a word—especially if it happens to be on a short vowel, as is the case in certain verb forms of the Illeran dialect—got to be such a headache that...
That's an oversight. It's <ú>, which is just /uː/. Within Lilitika's tense-lax system, /uː iː eː/ <ú í é> are paired with /ʌ ɪ ɛ/ <u i e>. Usually the accent of a word has to fall on a tense vowel, with the unpaired /oː/ <o> also counting as tense and the unpaired /a/ <a> counting as lax. Designating where stress falls in a word—especially if it happens to be on a short vowel, as is the case in certain verb forms of the Illeran dialect—got to be such a headache that...
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2019-03-20 03:36:00.
Pretty Scripties Showcase Thread (2019-03-18 21:40:37) :
The script used in [http://anthologi.ca/?id=262928&posts_pagenum=0#263964|this Money Thread] post:
[image:http://rhetori.ca/misc/talmota-wip.png|margin: auto; display: block]
This has a very simple ductus; the oval nib is consistent throughout the script. As is obvious, I was aiming to riff on Semitic abjads, particularly Arabic.
The script used in [http://anthologi.ca/?id=262928&posts_pagenum=0#263964|this Money Thread] post:
[image:http://rhetori.ca/misc/talmota-wip.png|margin: auto; display: block]
This has a very simple ductus; the oval nib is consistent throughout the script. As is obvious, I was aiming to riff on Semitic abjads, particularly Arabic.
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2019-03-18 21:40:37.
Money Thread (2019-03-18 21:26:58) :
...Of course, I [i]say[/i] that, and then promptly discover those particular sources are somewhat crap. Still, the idea stands?
[image:http://rhetori.ca/misc/vigla-sarthia.png|display: block; margin: auto]
Here's an example of early Lilitic currency (with yet another new script!), a 58 mm × 23 mm × 8.3 mm metal bar (similar to a slip of gold-pressed Latinum, really.) As I've mentioned in the distant, foggy past, the Lilitai back their money directly with labour, and issue a single d...
...Of course, I [i]say[/i] that, and then promptly discover those particular sources are somewhat crap. Still, the idea stands?
[image:http://rhetori.ca/misc/vigla-sarthia.png|display: block; margin: auto]
Here's an example of early Lilitic currency (with yet another new script!), a 58 mm × 23 mm × 8.3 mm metal bar (similar to a slip of gold-pressed Latinum, really.) As I've mentioned in the distant, foggy past, the Lilitai back their money directly with labour, and issue a single d...
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2019-03-18 21:27:16.
Money Thread (2019-03-18 20:09:09) :
Try something like [https://publicdomainvectors.org/en/tag/svg|Public Domain Vectors] or [https://openclipart.org/tags/woodcut|OpenClipart], especially the woodcuts section thereof. I'd be surprised (impressed, but still surprised) if Bloodbath's work is completely from scratch, particularly all the photographed bits.
Try something like [https://publicdomainvectors.org/en/tag/svg|Public Domain Vectors] or [https://openclipart.org/tags/woodcut|OpenClipart], especially the woodcuts section thereof. I'd be surprised (impressed, but still surprised) if Bloodbath's work is completely from scratch, particularly all the photographed bits.
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2019-03-18 20:09:09.
Pretty Scripties Showcase Thread (2019-03-18 15:19:32) :
I could see it being done with a brush more credibly, yeah. I just don't think the left edge of the stroke in ylf can be drawn straightly with a normal quill or pen without a lot of awkwardness or a custom tool. And yes, fimfa's arm is perfectly drawable with the edge of a tool, it's just a stylistic anomaly compared to the rest of the script, as you have a thin line at the same angle as the thickest parts of every other letter.
I could see it being done with a brush more credibly, yeah. I just don't think the left edge of the stroke in ylf can be drawn straightly with a normal quill or pen without a lot of awkwardness or a custom tool. And yes, fimfa's arm is perfectly drawable with the edge of a tool, it's just a stylistic anomaly compared to the rest of the script, as you have a thin line at the same angle as the thickest parts of every other letter.
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2019-03-18 15:19:32.
Pretty Scripties Showcase Thread (2019-03-18 11:23:24) :
Woah, time out. The minuscule ylf can't have that shape for its second stem. You'd have to use an unevenly-cut quill to draw it[note]Such an instrument would not be usable for anything else in the entire script unless it's held backward; even to achieve the stroke drawn requires holding the pen at a very unusual angle. This would be more comfortable for a left-handed writer, but it would still put unusual pressure on the pen tip to draw the top of the stroke, as the left side of the tip would be...
Woah, time out. The minuscule ylf can't have that shape for its second stem. You'd have to use an unevenly-cut quill to draw it[note]Such an instrument would not be usable for anything else in the entire script unless it's held backward; even to achieve the stroke drawn requires holding the pen at a very unusual angle. This would be more comfortable for a left-handed writer, but it would still put unusual pressure on the pen tip to draw the top of the stroke, as the left side of the tip would be...
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2019-03-18 11:24:05.
Bugs, Requests, and Changes (2019-03-18 10:45:33) :
Weird and weird. The cause: I was trying to speed up the forums; it turns out we've been accumulating huge heaps of empty database entries whenever someone read a forum post. Ugh. So I changed it to a delete command, which apparently (for some terrible reason) had a permissions check in it, one that apparently doesn't work very well. Not a feature I'd actually used before.
I've removed that permissions check (as it was inconsistent with how other live data manipulation functions work), ...
Weird and weird. The cause: I was trying to speed up the forums; it turns out we've been accumulating huge heaps of empty database entries whenever someone read a forum post. Ugh. So I changed it to a delete command, which apparently (for some terrible reason) had a permissions check in it, one that apparently doesn't work very well. Not a feature I'd actually used before.
I've removed that permissions check (as it was inconsistent with how other live data manipulation functions work), ...
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2019-03-18 10:45:33.
Index Translationum (2015-01-13 14:48:15) :
Icelandic is an interesting case... iirc Iceland has more authors per capita than anywhere else in the world and a very voracious reader's market. (Here's a citation: [url=http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24399599]the Beeb[/url].) Given this, and when you consider the ubiquity of multilingualism in both India and Iceland, it's not really surprising that Iceland comes out on top for translations. Being [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate]more literate[/url] helps ...
Icelandic is an interesting case... iirc Iceland has more authors per capita than anywhere else in the world and a very voracious reader's market. (Here's a citation: [url=http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24399599]the Beeb[/url].) Given this, and when you consider the ubiquity of multilingualism in both India and Iceland, it's not really surprising that Iceland comes out on top for translations. Being [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate]more literate[/url] helps ...
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2019-03-15 13:22:41.
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