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Catalonian Greek Scratchpad (2016-07-17 07:33:27) :
Équi u uranós áza remádo za ò u ántrobus paréqueda.
['ɛki u uɾa'nos 'aza ʁe'mado za 'ɔ u 'antrobus pa'ɾekeda]
U ántrobus uguéqui ucén za u andabuciçò bir tu uranú.
[u 'antrobus u'geki u'ðen za u andabuði'ðɔ biɾ tu uɾa'nu]
Abótini. Abótini. Abótini. Abótini. Abótini. Abótini. Abótini.
[a'botini a'botini a'botini a'botini a'botini a'botini a'botini]
Équi u uranós áza remádo za ò u ántrobus paréqueda.
['ɛki u uɾa'nos 'aza ʁe'mado za 'ɔ u 'antrobus pa'ɾekeda]
U ántrobus uguéqui ucén za u andabuciçò bir tu uranú.
[u 'antrobus u'geki u'ðen za u andabuði'ðɔ biɾ tu uɾa'nu]
Abótini. Abótini. Abótini. Abótini. Abótini. Abótini. Abótini.
[a'botini a'botini a'botini a'botini a'botini a'botini a'botini]
owned by dhok, last edited 2016-07-17 07:45:34.
Catalonian Greek Scratchpad (2016-07-17 06:07:25) :
Keep in mind I've been doing four classes a day of actual historical ling. this week and next, so I'm a little bit burned out to do imaginary historical linguistics. But I'll do my best.
I think I'll sidetrack a bit and tackle verbs. Normally, of course, the paradigm used would be the reflex of λύω- but in Catalonian Greek this verb has a front rounded vowel in the root, and that screws everything up because of vowel harmony; if the stress falls on a front rounded vowel (and these only ...
Keep in mind I've been doing four classes a day of actual historical ling. this week and next, so I'm a little bit burned out to do imaginary historical linguistics. But I'll do my best.
I think I'll sidetrack a bit and tackle verbs. Normally, of course, the paradigm used would be the reflex of λύω- but in Catalonian Greek this verb has a front rounded vowel in the root, and that screws everything up because of vowel harmony; if the stress falls on a front rounded vowel (and these only ...
owned by dhok, last edited 2016-07-17 06:12:45.
Catalonian Greek Scratchpad :
Mostly a paradigm/vocab dump until the diachronics are finalized. (Can we get the lovely [cols] tags they have on the Zeeb?)
[u]Nouns[/u]
Dative and accusative merge as the oblique, with the dative forms dropping (thus neuters only have two cases, mȧsc/fem have three). Dual is dropped. Catalonian Greek has a stress accent derived from the location of the pitch accent, much like actual Modern Greek, with the added complication that word-final vowels drop if the accent was on the...
Mostly a paradigm/vocab dump until the diachronics are finalized. (Can we get the lovely [cols] tags they have on the Zeeb?)
[u]Nouns[/u]
Dative and accusative merge as the oblique, with the dative forms dropping (thus neuters only have two cases, mȧsc/fem have three). Dual is dropped. Catalonian Greek has a stress accent derived from the location of the pitch accent, much like actual Modern Greek, with the added complication that word-final vowels drop if the accent was on the...
owned by dhok, last edited 2016-07-07 17:09:32.
FSI is your best bet for a lot of African languages: Fula, Hausa, Chinyanja, Kirundi, Kituba, Lingala, Moré, Shona, Luganda, Swahili, Igbo and Twi all have FSI courses. (As does Amharic, but that doesn't really count.) I'd be down for an African language- always wanted to dabble in something with tone. We could do Fula, though- while not tonal, it's still got more than enough nuttiness to please my inner tryhard.
owned by dhok, last edited 2016-06-25 11:20:26.
I'm down for Quechua, though if I go to Rome this fall I may not be around much. Actually, I'm probably down for most things, though my vote is cast for either Quechua or Cree.
One benefit to doing Cree is that there's an excellent three-part book course with audio that's just recently been completed- though we'd have some scanning to do. To my knowledge nothing of the sort exists for Quechua.
owned by dhok, last edited 2016-06-22 07:31:57.
Celebratory Diplo Game! :
After a four-month hiatus, Anthologica has risen from the limbo of hard drive failure, and what better way to celebrate that than with a nice game of Diplomacy? Post to join.
After a four-month hiatus, Anthologica has risen from the limbo of hard drive failure, and what better way to celebrate that than with a nice game of Diplomacy? Post to join.
owned by dhok, last edited 2016-06-20 16:18:46.
Kansan Algonquian Scratchpad (2016-02-19 10:05:39) :
There are too many schwas in the above system, so I'm going to unshitten the diachronics a bit.
1) If you think Proto-Algonquian had [i]*we[/i] and [i]*ye[/i] sequences, they simplify to [i]*o[/i] and [i]*i[/i] as everywhere but Eastern: [i]*nekwetwi[/i] > [i]nikut[/i].
2) There is a shift of *e to *i in word-initial syllables: [i]nemene[/i] > [i]nimen[/i]
3) Short vowels are lengthened before clusters starting in *h or *ʔ, which then drop.
4) Word-final...
There are too many schwas in the above system, so I'm going to unshitten the diachronics a bit.
1) If you think Proto-Algonquian had [i]*we[/i] and [i]*ye[/i] sequences, they simplify to [i]*o[/i] and [i]*i[/i] as everywhere but Eastern: [i]*nekwetwi[/i] > [i]nikut[/i].
2) There is a shift of *e to *i in word-initial syllables: [i]nemene[/i] > [i]nimen[/i]
3) Short vowels are lengthened before clusters starting in *h or *ʔ, which then drop.
4) Word-final...
owned by dhok, last edited 2016-02-19 10:33:53.
Kansan Algonquian Scratchpad :
hello
This is a scratchpad for an Algonquian language spoken in Kansas. As envisioned, it would have broken off fairly early, and so, although it's more conservative than the other Plains languages, it also shows some differences from the Central languages, such as distinguishing *θk from *sk.
General notes on development:
* final vowels retained
* no vowel contraction (reconstructed *we was probably *o anyways and doesn't count)
* PA *r and *n merge...
hello
This is a scratchpad for an Algonquian language spoken in Kansas. As envisioned, it would have broken off fairly early, and so, although it's more conservative than the other Plains languages, it also shows some differences from the Central languages, such as distinguishing *θk from *sk.
General notes on development:
* final vowels retained
* no vowel contraction (reconstructed *we was probably *o anyways and doesn't count)
* PA *r and *n merge...
owned by dhok, last edited 2016-02-19 08:00:14.
dhoklang Scratchpad (NP: Algonquitut?) (2015-12-16 11:17:34) :
rebooting this because I actually have Proto-Nahtak probably figured out
Phonology:
Consonants: /p t ts tʃ k kʷ (ʔ) m n ŋ θ s ʃ h w l j/ <p t c č k kʷ ʔ m n ŋ θ s š h w l y>
Vowels: /a e i o ɨ a: e: i: o: ɨ: ã ẽ õ/ <a e i o ɨ ā ē ī ō ɨ̄ ą ę ǫ>
various clusters word-internally, /t k n s h w y/ word-finally
Some random morphophonology rules that I'll add to as I work things out:
* If you get an inadmissable cluster, first turn w y > ...
rebooting this because I actually have Proto-Nahtak probably figured out
Phonology:
Consonants: /p t ts tʃ k kʷ (ʔ) m n ŋ θ s ʃ h w l j/ <p t c č k kʷ ʔ m n ŋ θ s š h w l y>
Vowels: /a e i o ɨ a: e: i: o: ɨ: ã ẽ õ/ <a e i o ɨ ā ē ī ō ɨ̄ ą ę ǫ>
various clusters word-internally, /t k n s h w y/ word-finally
Some random morphophonology rules that I'll add to as I work things out:
* If you get an inadmissable cluster, first turn w y > ...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-12-16 11:33:01.
Quote Thread (2015-12-15 14:44:40) :
[22:31] <pthag> it is like the bible says
[22:32] <pthag> one night pharaoh dreamt of seven twinks coming to his bedchamber with pendulous members like lumphammers
[22:33] <pthag> and then seven old queens with micropenes and shrivelled balls
[22:33] <pthag> he woke up and asked his advisor daniel what the dream meant
[22:33] <pthag> and daniel spoke unto pharaoh saying lol ur gay like england
[22:34] <pthag> sicut dixit dominus, dominus me...
[22:31] <pthag> it is like the bible says
[22:32] <pthag> one night pharaoh dreamt of seven twinks coming to his bedchamber with pendulous members like lumphammers
[22:33] <pthag> and then seven old queens with micropenes and shrivelled balls
[22:33] <pthag> he woke up and asked his advisor daniel what the dream meant
[22:33] <pthag> and daniel spoke unto pharaoh saying lol ur gay like england
[22:34] <pthag> sicut dixit dominus, dominus me...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-12-15 14:44:40.
Bugs, Requests, and Changes (2015-12-12 08:32:00) :
I have a low-priority suggestion to make. I'm currently fleshing out Proto-Nahtak's verbal system, and because the system is quite large and somewhat complicated, I'm using Google Spreadsheets to do it- [url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wKM7DUM3phafyRaoNvZdG8N2gb8J4SFBj2EyfpSQHu8/edit?usp=sharing]link.[/url] As you can see, it's a bit too large for a forum table, so I'm not sure how I would show it off- and even if I made many different forum tables, it's so large that that would take...
I have a low-priority suggestion to make. I'm currently fleshing out Proto-Nahtak's verbal system, and because the system is quite large and somewhat complicated, I'm using Google Spreadsheets to do it- [url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wKM7DUM3phafyRaoNvZdG8N2gb8J4SFBj2EyfpSQHu8/edit?usp=sharing]link.[/url] As you can see, it's a bit too large for a forum table, so I'm not sure how I would show it off- and even if I made many different forum tables, it's so large that that would take...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-12-12 08:32:00.
Brik Scratchpad :
Taking a break from polysynthesis for a while to work on a language family which will, hopefully, be easier to work with. The tentative name for the proto-language is [i]semet ja brik[/i], or 'language ([i]brik[/i]) of the tribe ([i]semet[/i])'.
[u]Phonology[/u]
Brik (as it'll be called from now on) has a presyllable structure: all morphemes ('word' is for various reasons not the most helpful label) consist of either one or two syllables. In two-syllable morphemes, there is a v...
Taking a break from polysynthesis for a while to work on a language family which will, hopefully, be easier to work with. The tentative name for the proto-language is [i]semet ja brik[/i], or 'language ([i]brik[/i]) of the tribe ([i]semet[/i])'.
[u]Phonology[/u]
Brik (as it'll be called from now on) has a presyllable structure: all morphemes ('word' is for various reasons not the most helpful label) consist of either one or two syllables. In two-syllable morphemes, there is a v...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-11-27 08:23:37.
Methinat Scratchpad (2015-09-22 14:40:41) :
This is looking very interesting...like Tocharian, it's got this sense of being almost a "standard IE language", but not quite there.
I'm assuming /c j ś/ are from *ḱ *ǵ *ǵʰ? At first I assumed ś was from *ḱ as in Balto-Slavic and Sanskrit and got a bit confused...
Also, it's cool that you worked accent out...I find the accent system reconstructed for PIE so complicated that I usually don't bother with it. (Now I'm starting to get the PIE bug...)
Also, while we're talk...
This is looking very interesting...like Tocharian, it's got this sense of being almost a "standard IE language", but not quite there.
I'm assuming /c j ś/ are from *ḱ *ǵ *ǵʰ? At first I assumed ś was from *ḱ as in Balto-Slavic and Sanskrit and got a bit confused...
Also, it's cool that you worked accent out...I find the accent system reconstructed for PIE so complicated that I usually don't bother with it. (Now I'm starting to get the PIE bug...)
Also, while we're talk...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-09-22 14:41:52.
Methinat Scratchpad (2015-09-21 04:24:23) :
A Satem language that retains an a-o distinction? (Edit: wait, it sounds like the laryngeals are treated somewhat differently from the core branches- details?)
Otherwise, this looks really interesting! Do you have a list of sound changes worked out? How conservative is the grammar?
A Satem language that retains an a-o distinction? (Edit: wait, it sounds like the laryngeals are treated somewhat differently from the core branches- details?)
Otherwise, this looks really interesting! Do you have a list of sound changes worked out? How conservative is the grammar?
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-09-21 04:27:10.
Pretty Scripties Showcase Thread (2015-08-20 16:54:49) :
Some cognate pairs in Quomonakian and Pehanaquian, in their native script:
[img]http://imgur.com/kk7Z4cp.png[/img]
Quomonakian is on the left, Pehanaquian on the right, in two columns. Pehanaquian has a phonetic schwa deriving from *ă, *ɨ̌ and *ĕ that is entirely predictable, however, so it is marked neither in the script nor in the transcription: the cognate of Q. [b]hahpi[/b] (in the bottom right-hand corner) is therefore [b]stp[/b] (phonetically [əstəp]). A full transcriptio...
Some cognate pairs in Quomonakian and Pehanaquian, in their native script:
[img]http://imgur.com/kk7Z4cp.png[/img]
Quomonakian is on the left, Pehanaquian on the right, in two columns. Pehanaquian has a phonetic schwa deriving from *ă, *ɨ̌ and *ĕ that is entirely predictable, however, so it is marked neither in the script nor in the transcription: the cognate of Q. [b]hahpi[/b] (in the bottom right-hand corner) is therefore [b]stp[/b] (phonetically [əstəp]). A full transcriptio...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-08-20 17:30:14.
Romanization Thread (2015-08-17 15:25:52) :
[quote MichaelJek, lurker]Superb stuff, Thanks a lot.
That is very fascinating, You are an excessively skilled blogger. I've joined your rss feed and stay up for looking for extra of your excellent post.
http://www.[redacted].com/[/quote]
new translation challenge y/y
[quote MichaelJek, lurker]Superb stuff, Thanks a lot.
That is very fascinating, You are an excessively skilled blogger. I've joined your rss feed and stay up for looking for extra of your excellent post.
http://www.[redacted].com/[/quote]
new translation challenge y/y
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Sound Changes Thread (2015-08-14 21:14:13) :
[20:54] <H13> shit conlang is from
[20:54] <H13> < m n ŋ p t č k ʔ f s š h w r l y a ɨ ɔ u ə i o u
[20:54] <dhok> no *ɛ in proto-shit
[20:54] <dhok> ?
[20:54] <dhok> oh i see it is shit manchu
[20:55] <H13> yes
[20:55] <H13> voicing is from +ATR
[20:55] <H13> and the vowels got shifted around
[20:55] <H13> mostly by "everything is E or e now"
[20:56] <dhok> +ATR to voicing
[20:56] <dhok> ...
[20:54] <H13> shit conlang is from
[20:54] <H13> < m n ŋ p t č k ʔ f s š h w r l y a ɨ ɔ u ə i o u
[20:54] <dhok> no *ɛ in proto-shit
[20:54] <dhok> ?
[20:54] <dhok> oh i see it is shit manchu
[20:55] <H13> yes
[20:55] <H13> voicing is from +ATR
[20:55] <H13> and the vowels got shifted around
[20:55] <H13> mostly by "everything is E or e now"
[20:56] <dhok> +ATR to voicing
[20:56] <dhok> ...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-08-14 21:14:13.
dhoklang Scratchpad (NP: Algonquitut?) (2015-08-10 18:32:43) :
[EDIT: Killing the aspirates- the phonology now looks more like Salishan than Algonquian. Also, labialized consonants aren't allowed as the first member of clusters.]
OK, I'm increasing the time depth on this family to somewhere around 7000 years, which means that the Algonquian-esque family- Insular Nahtak- is just going to be a sub-branch, albeit a major one. The actual proto-language (which looks a lot more like Athabaskan than Algonquian) has the following phonology:
Notes ...
[EDIT: Killing the aspirates- the phonology now looks more like Salishan than Algonquian. Also, labialized consonants aren't allowed as the first member of clusters.]
OK, I'm increasing the time depth on this family to somewhere around 7000 years, which means that the Algonquian-esque family- Insular Nahtak- is just going to be a sub-branch, albeit a major one. The actual proto-language (which looks a lot more like Athabaskan than Algonquian) has the following phonology:
Notes ...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-08-13 11:20:09.
dhoklang Scratchpad (NP: Algonquitut?) (2015-08-12 17:06:56) :
OK, instead of going onto the morphology, we're going to look at roots. The prototypical root in Proto-Nahtak is (C)VC and is constructed from a reduced inventory where glottalization, nasalization and length are eliminated. Labialization may appear on either the first consonant or the second consonant, but not both (*w counts as a labialized consonant).
[i]√iθʷ-[/i] 'to go, move' (activity)
[i]√saŋ-[/i] 'to perceive, sense' (activity)
[i]√qʷuš-[/i] 'to scratch, wound' (achievem...
OK, instead of going onto the morphology, we're going to look at roots. The prototypical root in Proto-Nahtak is (C)VC and is constructed from a reduced inventory where glottalization, nasalization and length are eliminated. Labialization may appear on either the first consonant or the second consonant, but not both (*w counts as a labialized consonant).
[i]√iθʷ-[/i] 'to go, move' (activity)
[i]√saŋ-[/i] 'to perceive, sense' (activity)
[i]√qʷuš-[/i] 'to scratch, wound' (achievem...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-08-12 22:22:52.
Sound Change Appliers (2015-07-27 11:44:37) :
Can't access the jarfile "toolbox-sca-0.5.0.jar". You wouldn't mind getting on #isharia, would you? It would be a great help.
Can't access the jarfile "toolbox-sca-0.5.0.jar". You wouldn't mind getting on #isharia, would you? It would be a great help.
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-07-27 11:44:37.
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