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Grrr Thread (2015-01-12 09:31:41) :
Ah! Interesting, I'll have to go back and read up on it more. I wasn't aware of /j/'s deletion. I've been out of the IE game too long, man.
Ah! Interesting, I'll have to go back and read up on it more. I wasn't aware of /j/'s deletion. I've been out of the IE game too long, man.
owned by Morrígan, last edited 2015-01-12 09:31:41.
Grrr Thread (2015-01-12 04:50:42) :
[quote Morrígan, Marquise]Phonemically, that is. The conditioning high-vowels are still present, [i]non[/i]?[/quote]
At least partially, I don't remember whether all short /i/'s that caused umlaut still were around. But the /j/ that caused umlaut was already gone after geminated consonants; so I'd say the umlaut vowels had become phonemical in OHG.
[quote Morrígan, Marquise]Phonemically, that is. The conditioning high-vowels are still present, [i]non[/i]?[/quote]
At least partially, I don't remember whether all short /i/'s that caused umlaut still were around. But the /j/ that caused umlaut was already gone after geminated consonants; so I'd say the umlaut vowels had become phonemical in OHG.
owned by hwhatting, last edited 2015-01-12 04:50:42.
Sound Change Appliers (2015-01-11 14:21:30) :
I have a serious question concerning how the SCA is started and runs:
* Basic - user provides input, output, and rule file at startup
* Enhanced - user only provides rule file; input and outputs are specified within the rules
The current situation leaves us with an uncomfortable state of affairs, for technical reasons. The problem is that in "basic" mode, the whole rule file is parsed before loading the lexicon, so if the user messes about with normalization or segme...
I have a serious question concerning how the SCA is started and runs:
* Basic - user provides input, output, and rule file at startup
* Enhanced - user only provides rule file; input and outputs are specified within the rules
The current situation leaves us with an uncomfortable state of affairs, for technical reasons. The problem is that in "basic" mode, the whole rule file is parsed before loading the lexicon, so if the user messes about with normalization or segme...
owned by Morrígan, last edited 2015-01-11 14:21:30.
Grrr Thread (2015-01-11 12:40:44) :
Phonemically, that is. The conditioning high-vowels are still present, [i]non[/i]?
Phonemically, that is. The conditioning high-vowels are still present, [i]non[/i]?
owned by Morrígan, last edited 2015-01-11 12:40:44.
Grrr Thread (2015-01-11 12:37:17) :
Goddammed conjunctivitis. Again.
Goddammed conjunctivitis. Again.
owned by twabs, last edited 2015-01-11 12:37:17.
Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2015-01-11 11:55:09) :
[b]Esvant. Teude: tir datz èu [i]Is tegolleu anevestindh[/i].[/b]
Correction. Typo: it's [i]The Nonexistent Knight[/i] actually.
[b]Esvant. Teude: tir datz èu [i]Is tegolleu anevestindh[/i].[/b]
Correction. Typo: it's [i]The Nonexistent Knight[/i] actually.
owned by Izambri, last edited 2015-01-11 11:55:09.
Anthologica Diplomacy -- Winter Edition (2015-01-11 08:14:08) :
[box]
Austria: Disbands A war
Austria: Disbands A stp
[/box]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/7dCWlIx.png[/img]
It is Fall, 1909. You have 48 hours.
[b]Orders Due: 22:00 2015/1/13[/b]
[box]
Austria: Disbands A war
Austria: Disbands A stp
[/box]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/7dCWlIx.png[/img]
It is Fall, 1909. You have 48 hours.
[b]Orders Due: 22:00 2015/1/13[/b]
owned by Hallow XIII, last edited 2015-01-11 08:14:08.
Anthologica Diplomacy -- Winter Edition (2015-01-11 08:11:13) :
[img]http://i.imgur.com/XLhuNM9.png[/img]
[box]
Results for Spring, 1909 (Movement)
Austria:
Austria: A boh Supports A vie -> tyr
Austria: A gal -> ukr
Austria: A stp Supports A sev -> mos
Support failed. Supporte...
[img]http://i.imgur.com/XLhuNM9.png[/img]
[box]
Results for Spring, 1909 (Movement)
Austria:
Austria: A boh Supports A vie -> tyr
Austria: A gal -> ukr
Austria: A stp Supports A sev -> mos
Support failed. Supporte...
owned by Hallow XIII, last edited 2015-01-11 08:11:13.
Grrr Thread (2015-01-10 10:15:07) :
Primary umlaut occurred pretty early, AFAIK, yeah, and it's represented in late OHG spelling IIRC. Since there was no standardized orthography, the spelling of vowel sounds varies a lot in actual MHG texts. Umlauted <a> should be pretty solidly represented by <e>, though.
Primary umlaut occurred pretty early, AFAIK, yeah, and it's represented in late OHG spelling IIRC. Since there was no standardized orthography, the spelling of vowel sounds varies a lot in actual MHG texts. Umlauted <a> should be pretty solidly represented by <e>, though.
owned by Jipí, last edited 2015-01-10 10:18:13.
Grrr Thread (2015-01-10 10:01:59) :
[quote Morrígan, Marquise]Also, I forgot that OHG doesn't have umlaut yet! That's kind of a major development.[/quote]
If you accuse me of nitpicking, I'll have to plead guilty as charged, but: OHG probably already had umlaut, it just wasn't indicated in the writing system, except for a > e. (The fact that this is indicated makes it likely that /u/ > /y/ etc. also were present in the spoken language, the writing system just hadn't developed the means yet to indicate them.)
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[quote Morrígan, Marquise]Also, I forgot that OHG doesn't have umlaut yet! That's kind of a major development.[/quote]
If you accuse me of nitpicking, I'll have to plead guilty as charged, but: OHG probably already had umlaut, it just wasn't indicated in the writing system, except for a > e. (The fact that this is indicated makes it likely that /u/ > /y/ etc. also were present in the spoken language, the writing system just hadn't developed the means yet to indicate them.)
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owned by hwhatting, last edited 2015-01-10 10:01:59.
Hello + happy new year + TOP 20 FILMS DISCOVERED IN 2014 (2015-01-10 08:11:35) :
That film is on my "watch it some day" list for ages now.
That film is on my "watch it some day" list for ages now.
owned by hwhatting, last edited 2015-01-10 08:11:35.
Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2015-01-10 06:13:56) :
[b]Aller elycen grosen. Y luwe it naem ew [i]Da Onbestaende Nast[/i]. Beneut-se![/b]
All look great. I love the name of [i]The Nonexistent Night[/i]. Enjoy them!
[b]Aller elycen grosen. Y luwe it naem ew [i]Da Onbestaende Nast[/i]. Beneut-se![/b]
All look great. I love the name of [i]The Nonexistent Night[/i]. Enjoy them!
owned by Thry, last edited 2015-01-10 06:15:41.
Grrr Thread (2015-01-09 10:35:27) :
Anyway, I don't expect people to be able to read MHG or modern German just like that. I was just tempted to try and write my reply that way (while [i]hoping[/i] it would be grammatical) because of the mock ME in Morrígan's post.
Also, a lot of people even here in Germany are totally unaware of the periodicization of German, so when I showed them what I was working on for my BA thesis (transcriptions of MHG legal documents from the 13th century) they were often like "What is that, Old Go...
Anyway, I don't expect people to be able to read MHG or modern German just like that. I was just tempted to try and write my reply that way (while [i]hoping[/i] it would be grammatical) because of the mock ME in Morrígan's post.
Also, a lot of people even here in Germany are totally unaware of the periodicization of German, so when I showed them what I was working on for my BA thesis (transcriptions of MHG legal documents from the 13th century) they were often like "What is that, Old Go...
owned by Jipí, last edited 2015-01-09 18:26:53.
Grrr Thread (2015-01-09 11:22:12) :
Really I feel like periodization of most European languages is generally well known, neither the "Middle" or "Old" in for Spanish and French for example. MHG is much more interesting, being contemporaneous with the "Old" Romance language. Like when Old Spanish had 3 pairs of sibilants.
Also, I forgot that OHG doesn't have umlaut yet! That's kind of a major development.
Really I feel like periodization of most European languages is generally well known, neither the "Middle" or "Old" in for Spanish and French for example. MHG is much more interesting, being contemporaneous with the "Old" Romance language. Like when Old Spanish had 3 pairs of sibilants.
Also, I forgot that OHG doesn't have umlaut yet! That's kind of a major development.
owned by Morrígan, last edited 2015-01-09 11:22:12.
happiness thread (2015-01-09 10:02:13) :
I'm getting a smartphone finally, a Huawei Ascend P6. Excited. On the other hand, I need to buy a plan.
I'm getting a smartphone finally, a Huawei Ascend P6. Excited. On the other hand, I need to buy a plan.
owned by Morrígan, last edited 2015-01-09 10:02:13.
Grrr Thread (2015-01-09 09:54:58) :
[image:http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/204031/the-more-you-know-o.gif]
[image:http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/204031/the-more-you-know-o.gif]
owned by Morrígan, last edited 2015-01-09 09:54:58.
Hello + happy new year + TOP 20 FILMS DISCOVERED IN 2014 (2015-01-09 09:48:09) :
It was "Wings of Desire"; it was weird, but not bad at all —but I had to make choices for this top, obviously.
It was "Wings of Desire"; it was weird, but not bad at all —but I had to make choices for this top, obviously.
owned by Legion, last edited 2015-01-09 09:48:09.
Grrr Thread (2015-01-09 07:16:41) :
[quote Morrígan, Marquise]Ah of course, I missed "diu" and though "swaz" was a reflexive, but then again I do not read OHG.[/quote]
You don't need to, that was MHG. ;-) (The giveaway is that endings are mostly -e-, like in Modern German, OHG still had full vowels in the endings.)
[quote Morrígan, Marquise]Ah of course, I missed "diu" and though "swaz" was a reflexive, but then again I do not read OHG.[/quote]
You don't need to, that was MHG. ;-) (The giveaway is that endings are mostly -e-, like in Modern German, OHG still had full vowels in the endings.)
owned by hwhatting, last edited 2015-01-09 07:16:41.
Anthologica Diplomacy -- Winter Edition (2015-01-08 19:55:25) :
[box]
Austria: Disbands A ukr
France: Build A mar
Turkey: Builds A con
Turkey: Builds F smy
[/box]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/DMpMtWp.png[/img]
It is Spring, 1909. You have 48 hours.
[b]Orders Due: 22:00 UTC 2015/1/10[/b]
[box]
Austria: Disbands A ukr
France: Build A mar
Turkey: Builds A con
Turkey: Builds F smy
[/box]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/DMpMtWp.png[/img]
It is Spring, 1909. You have 48 hours.
[b]Orders Due: 22:00 UTC 2015/1/10[/b]
owned by Hallow XIII, last edited 2015-01-08 19:55:25.
Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2015-01-08 12:58:45) :
[b]En tarmant gent sarta sis perges dontratzs: [i]Sàpiens. D'isarghinea na se daganessant[/i], tir Yuval Noah Harari, [i]S'Anç na se torce[/i] na Sunzi è [i]Ses calces anoidembres[/i] syèc [i]Sis açardadenys mandris[/i], maneu na s'Italo Calvino. Is nassort n'erds cest reu noldes: [i]Is passordi guibregatz[/i], [i]Is dorme tirindh[/i] è [i]Is tegolleu anevestindh[/i].[/b]
I bought four books finally: Yuval Noah Harari's [i]Sapiens. A brief history of humankind[/i], Sun Zi's [i]The Art of War...
[b]En tarmant gent sarta sis perges dontratzs: [i]Sàpiens. D'isarghinea na se daganessant[/i], tir Yuval Noah Harari, [i]S'Anç na se torce[/i] na Sunzi è [i]Ses calces anoidembres[/i] syèc [i]Sis açardadenys mandris[/i], maneu na s'Italo Calvino. Is nassort n'erds cest reu noldes: [i]Is passordi guibregatz[/i], [i]Is dorme tirindh[/i] è [i]Is tegolleu anevestindh[/i].[/b]
I bought four books finally: Yuval Noah Harari's [i]Sapiens. A brief history of humankind[/i], Sun Zi's [i]The Art of War...
owned by Izambri, last edited 2015-01-08 12:58:45.
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