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The Graveyard :
Where we celebrate or remember people who died recently or eons ago.

Todaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay...

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Wilder|Gene Wilder]

[center][img]https://66.media.tumblr.com/19b17feb7e498b7cee0beb327f712648/tumblr_pgjt8cciz91rd9fsko1_1280.png[/img]
Here in [i]Young Frankenstein[/i], with Teri Garr (left) and Marty Feldman (right).[/center]

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Oh my Dawkins (I'm Atheist, deal with it) (2018-10-13 13:19:42) :
[img]https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_masoq7EsiV1qim73wo1_500.png[/img]

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H13lang Scratchpad (2018-10-13 04:38:40) :
This post uses the orthography rather than IPA because I’m on my phone and X-SAMPA is unreadable

Before /i/, the coronals /t d n l r/ palatalized to /č j ny ly n/. Before /y/, the same happened, except that (in the “standard” dialect, i.e. the one I write in) /ry/ stated unchanged. č later merged into š in all positions, and /y/ dropped after palatals. Clusters of /ny ly/ + /y/ were later restored by the shift of prevocalic /g/ to /y/ after palatals and /i/, which rule remains syn...

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Isharian-1 (2018-10-13 04:26:29) :
Pronouns and object affixes:

I want to run with this object-agreement marking thing, so why not create a set of pronouns so that some but not all of the object-agreement markers can phonetically resemble them?

1sg [i]pat[/i]
2sg [i]ŋun[/i]
3sg [i]t'o[/i]
3sg - Fem [i]t'one[/i]

1pl [i]iba[/i]
2pl [i]ic'i[/i]
3pl [i]ino[/i]
3pl-FEM [i](i)nobe[/i]

In this system, one 3rd person pronoun is specifically marked as feminine and used for f...

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H13lang Scratchpad (2018-10-12 18:04:11) :
Hello, here are an update on Jalvaan. The update is the list of allowed clusters.

[table]
[tr][th][th]p[th]t[th]k[th]b[th]d[th]j[th]g[th]f[th]s[th]š[th]h[th]m[th]n[th]ny[th]v[th]r[th]l[th]ly[th]y
[tr][th]p[td]pp[td][td][td][td][td][td][td][td][td]pš[td]ph[td]pm[td][td][td][td][td][td][td][td]
[tr][th]t[td][td]tt[td][td][td][td][td][td]tf[td][td][td]th[td]tm[td]tn
[tr][th]k[td][td][td]kk[td][td][td][td][td]kf[td][td]kš[td]kh[td]km
[tr][th]j[td][td][td][td]šb[td]šd[td]...

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The Aztec discovery of Europe (2018-10-12 08:59:38) :
[quote dhok, Alkali Metal, Tsonholong Suma, Mongolia]I can't speak to the Mesoamerican side of things, but your timing is off if you want the Algonquian Confederacy to be much of a state. The corn/beans/squash package is very recent in New England--probably no earlier than about 1300 AD. You'll have more luck with the Mississippians, but they're much further inland, of course.

Of course, you have full license to handwave as much away as you'd like...[/quote]
The idea is to have Amer...

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The Aztec discovery of Europe (2018-10-12 08:34:27) :
I can't speak to the Mesoamerican side of things, but your timing is off if you want the Algonquian Confederacy to be much of a state. The corn/beans/squash package is very recent in New England--probably no earlier than about 1300 AD. You'll have more luck with the Mississippians, but they're much further inland, of course.

Of course, you have full license to handwave as much away as you'd like...

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Isharian-1 (2018-10-12 07:16:54) :
mostly I want to see some stuff happen so I can come in, declare it Insufficiently Historically Opaque and come up with a list of sound changes that will require rejiggling the entire grammar hth

at least that is how I conlang usually

[quote Rhetorica]As far as I can tell from their Wikipedia recordings, [ʕ] is barely audible, and contrast between [ħ] and [h] is ridiculously hard to hear.[/quote]
have you ever heard Arabic in the wild
x/X is a much harder distinction to...

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The Aztec discovery of Europe (2018-10-11 19:15:36) :
[quote Rhetorica, Kelatetía: Dis, Major Belt 1]Not sure about the handling of Germanic languages. It seems to me they'd survive better on the periphery, like in Britain and Scandinavia, rather than in the heart of the continent, much as the Celtic languages survived in insular environments IRL. [...][/quote]
Perhaps you understood that I was going to have one Germanic language, because of what I wrote above? In this alter-hist-world Germanic languages are spoken pretty much in the same areas...

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Translat-o-matic (2018-10-11 18:41:43) :
[quote Izambri, Duke, the Findible League][b]Bèrs tant aget [i]Aléspanikarha[/i], Amídtale Hiarmentnicatze. [i]Al(e)[/i]– im lhaonze a menaveu è lheraimí te se lamne èu ringlia.[/b]
[i]Aléspanikarha[/i] is a pretty word, Rhetorica. I guess that [i]al(e)[/i]– stands for “no, not” and that the language is Lilitika.[/quote]

[b]Zú—alé- + Hispanía + -ika + -arha. Lilitika Ketalàn vóe, dúrafa sotana deke-Doisseia.[/b]
Yes—not + Spain + way-of + [small]ACC.F.SING[/small]. It's Nomad's ...

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The Aztec discovery of Europe (2018-10-11 18:37:38) :
Not sure about the handling of Germanic languages. It seems to me they'd survive better on the periphery, like in Britain and Scandinavia, rather than in the heart of the continent, much as the Celtic languages survived in insular environments IRL. German would probably have been an endangered language at this point: the invaders would be arriving in Europe at a time when the Holy Roman Empire was at its maximum extent, and Latin was at maximum prestige, so only peasants spoke MHG at the time (n...

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The Aztec discovery of Europe :
This is going to work as a scratchpad:

Yesterday I was boring and I draw a map of Europe with borders like those of the USA and Canada, this is mostly straight lines no matter the orography. I thought that it looked nice enough and that it would serve nicely as a map for an alternative history conworld. One in which the native Americans discovered Europe and subsequent historical events happened in a more or less similar way, quite reminiscent of the centuries after the Discovery™ (expa...

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The Aztec discovery of Europe (2018-10-09 18:48:49) :
[h1]Peoples, territories and states[/h1]

[h2]Europe[/h2]
The areas with more concentrated people and cities important enough to sustain strong states and commerce are the British Isles, the Alps and valleys an plains around them, some specific pockets in Gallia, Italy and the Iberian peninsula, southern Scandinavia and certain provinces of the Roman Empire.

[ul][li]The Romance speaking areas cover the Iberian peninsula, Gallia, Belgica, Italy, the western Mediterranean isla...

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The Aztec discovery of Europe (2018-10-09 19:14:49) :
[h1]Languages[/h1]
Some existing languages will be used while a few conlangs will be required. The purpose of the languages is to create suitable toponyms.

[ul][li][b]Nahuatl[/b] The lingua franca of the Aztec Empire.[/li]
[li][b]Quechua[/b] The lingua franca of the Inca Empire.[/li]
[li][b]Greek[/b] The Roman Empire's lingua franca.[/li]
[li][b]Coptic[/b] For Egypt.[/li]
[li][b]Romance languages[/b] It would be interesting to work some romlangs based on old language...

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Isharian-1 (2018-10-10 03:19:29) :
Morphology suggestions:

In bringing up the [i]gaas[/i] thing, I've already implicitly suggested that there be some kinds of light verbs that modify a non-finite semantically meaningful verb (in this case, some light verb meaning "do" whose phonetic shape is something like [i]as[/i]). I've also implicitly introduced the affix [i]-d[/i] as a 3rd person object agreement marker on the verb, and I've added it to the non-finite verb rather than the finite one. (Maybe this system grew out of s...

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Isharian-1 (2018-10-09 16:17:39) :
[quote con quesa, Layperson, California]Also I reject your claim that a language having /ɾ/ as it's only liquid is "weeby". Lots of languages lack /l/.[/quote]

Sure—but these two statements can coexist. The tongue-in-cheek insinuation comes down to a matter of the motivation for only including one liquid/approximant/trill/etc. As I understand it, the Berber languages are generally pretty rich in this area, so the inspiration isn't immediately apparent.

[quote]I also think that ...

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The Aztec discovery of Europe (2018-10-09 15:56:57) :
[ul][li]1295 / Aztec sailors wiped out by the common cold.[/ul]

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On words, lexicons and etymologies (2018-10-09 15:53:37) :
Well, the tradition is to bury the dead in gardens to function as fertilizer. So there's that, too.

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On words, lexicons and etymologies (2018-09-29 16:07:17) :
More about tomatoes and potatoes from Isharia:

Whimemsz came up with this, which appears in some webpages about tomatoes:
[box]"Be that as it may, in this oft-repeated version the name wolfpfirsich referred to the tomato's round shape, reminiscent of a peach, while the "wolf" modifier derived from the Germanic folk belief that werewolves could be called up using other members of the Solanaceae family, such as nightshade and wolf bane."[/box]
I don't know if that etymology is rel...

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On words, lexicons and etymologies (2018-10-09 06:17:24) :
[quote Rhetorica, Kelatetía: Dis, Major Belt 1][...] This is contrasted with the word for meat, "(nept)ríñkolro," which is formed from three elements: [i]nept[/i]- ("recovered"; "gone to the afterlife"), [i]ríñke[/i] ("outward"; "excretion", also found in [i]riñkedu[/i] ("urine") and [i]riñksoinu[/i] ("feces")), and [i]olro[/i] ("food"). In short, "rotting shit." (And you thought the vegans in [i]your[/i] neighbourhood were obnoxious!) This was perhaps more understandable in a culture where cann...

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