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Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2014-08-01 16:16:10) :
[quote Nessari][b]Ailílestai yúlaya vóes.[/b]
Clearly they're ear fetishes.
[i]*Ílestidathá*[/i][/quote]
[b]Ailílestai síu ailílestadti da? Éhagha tshíkotóno sí aporafàn dzelfòsa shiwenáre líska da?![/b]
ear_fetish.NOM.F.PL or ear_fetish.ACC.F.PL? Why are you making me question my own conlang's grammar?!
[quote Nessari][b]Ailílestai yúlaya vóes.[/b]
Clearly they're ear fetishes.
[i]*Ílestidathá*[/i][/quote]
[b]Ailílestai síu ailílestadti da? Éhagha tshíkotóno sí aporafàn dzelfòsa shiwenáre líska da?![/b]
ear_fetish.NOM.F.PL or ear_fetish.ACC.F.PL? Why are you making me question my own conlang's grammar?!
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2014-08-01 16:16:10.
Sound Change Appliers (2014-08-01 16:06:58) :
Don't worry, there [i]is[/i] a cure—you just need to start taking literature intravenously, and everything will mellow out.
I [i]am[/i] semi-seriously considering the possibility of integrating your SCA into Anthologica as a server-side Java application, though, so you'd better be thorough in your documentation!
Don't worry, there [i]is[/i] a cure—you just need to start taking literature intravenously, and everything will mellow out.
I [i]am[/i] semi-seriously considering the possibility of integrating your SCA into Anthologica as a server-side Java application, though, so you'd better be thorough in your documentation!
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2014-08-01 16:06:58.
Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2014-08-01 16:06:51) :
[b]Ei, dui gec ont fredesc.[/b]
Oh, I am a marquis now.
[b]Hum, em gabasi se Frede n'Ístria, ajonitz.[/b]
Hmm, I choose the March of Istria, thanks.
[b]Ei, dui gec ont fredesc.[/b]
Oh, I am a marquis now.
[b]Hum, em gabasi se Frede n'Ístria, ajonitz.[/b]
Hmm, I choose the March of Istria, thanks.
owned by Izambri, last edited 2014-08-01 16:06:51.
Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2014-08-01 16:05:49) :
[b]Ailílestai yúlaya vóes.[/b]
Clearly they're ear fetishes.
[i]*Ílestidathá*[/i]
[b]Ailílestai yúlaya vóes.[/b]
Clearly they're ear fetishes.
[i]*Ílestidathá*[/i]
owned by Nessari, last edited 2014-08-01 16:06:16.
Sound Change Appliers (2014-08-01 16:04:48) :
So, at this point I'll add that I might be very close to a release. You can turn segmentation and normalization on or off in the script file and this appears to propagate correctly - this hasn't been extensively tested yet though. I would really love to get negatives into rules at least for variables and literals if nowhere else.
But I still need to produce a manual, and add support for reserving character sequences to be treated as single sounds. I might just release it tonight anyway....
So, at this point I'll add that I might be very close to a release. You can turn segmentation and normalization on or off in the script file and this appears to propagate correctly - this hasn't been extensively tested yet though. I would really love to get negatives into rules at least for variables and literals if nowhere else.
But I still need to produce a manual, and add support for reserving character sequences to be treated as single sounds. I might just release it tonight anyway....
owned by Morrígan, last edited 2014-08-01 16:04:48.
happiness thread (2014-08-01 15:52:55) :
Yeah, I was about to request that, especially since I needed to created a thread soon anyway.
I'm happy because it's Friday and I can stop working in about an hour.
Yeah, I was about to request that, especially since I needed to created a thread soon anyway.
I'm happy because it's Friday and I can stop working in about an hour.
owned by Morrígan, last edited 2014-08-01 15:52:55.
Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2014-08-01 14:34:33) :
[b]Ahekíei sithineyi mi ílesta hé mi sinoa 'l albedekhta vóe soka.[/b]
Sound changes are a fetish and an instrument of slothfulness.
[b]Ahekíei sithineyi mi ílesta hé mi sinoa 'l albedekhta vóe soka.[/b]
Sound changes are a fetish and an instrument of slothfulness.
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2014-08-01 14:34:33.
Sound Change Appliers :
The happiness thread was overflowing. So: it is moved here.
...for hilarious technical reasons, this post is the first post of the thread, despite not being the first post in any numeric sense.
The happiness thread was overflowing. So: it is moved here.
...for hilarious technical reasons, this post is the first post of the thread, despite not being the first post in any numeric sense.
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2014-08-01 14:27:40.
happiness thread (2014-08-01 14:26:31) :
Forked the SCA stuff. Fork, fork, fork.
Forked the SCA stuff. Fork, fork, fork.
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2014-08-01 14:26:31.
happiness thread (2014-08-01 11:57:29) :
[quote Rhetorica][quote dhok]One idea is to have an entry field for strings of characters that must be treated as single characters. Using Zompist's SCA, I've often found myself resorting to such extravagant representations as Devanagari characters for phonemes that the Latin alphabet has trouble representing easily.
This SCA could set aside a block of rarely-used Unicode characters- say, Yi syllabics- and replace each string in this block with a character from this block. (The nice thi...
[quote Rhetorica][quote dhok]One idea is to have an entry field for strings of characters that must be treated as single characters. Using Zompist's SCA, I've often found myself resorting to such extravagant representations as Devanagari characters for phonemes that the Latin alphabet has trouble representing easily.
This SCA could set aside a block of rarely-used Unicode characters- say, Yi syllabics- and replace each string in this block with a character from this block. (The nice thi...
owned by Morrígan, last edited 2014-08-01 13:29:40.
happiness thread (2014-08-01 04:03:54) :
Well the simultaneity issue is solved by, if you have p_h p b > p b p_h, converting them to, say, PH P B or similar container characters first and then doing the change. But really this is q inconvenient and I am pretty sure that the SCA could also do this. Some kind of simultaneity tag should be doable, no? Something like
=p_h > p
=p > b
=b > p
Idk how you would implement the notation but it would have to be something to make the SCA first transform all cha...
Well the simultaneity issue is solved by, if you have p_h p b > p b p_h, converting them to, say, PH P B or similar container characters first and then doing the change. But really this is q inconvenient and I am pretty sure that the SCA could also do this. Some kind of simultaneity tag should be doable, no? Something like
=p_h > p
=p > b
=b > p
Idk how you would implement the notation but it would have to be something to make the SCA first transform all cha...
owned by Hallow XIII, last edited 2014-08-01 04:03:54.
happiness thread (2014-08-01 02:58:57) :
[quote dhok]One idea is to have an entry field for strings of characters that must be treated as single characters. Using Zompist's SCA, I've often found myself resorting to such extravagant representations as Devanagari characters for phonemes that the Latin alphabet has trouble representing easily.
This SCA could set aside a block of rarely-used Unicode characters- say, Yi syllabics- and replace each string in this block with a character from this block. (The nice thing about computer...
[quote dhok]One idea is to have an entry field for strings of characters that must be treated as single characters. Using Zompist's SCA, I've often found myself resorting to such extravagant representations as Devanagari characters for phonemes that the Latin alphabet has trouble representing easily.
This SCA could set aside a block of rarely-used Unicode characters- say, Yi syllabics- and replace each string in this block with a character from this block. (The nice thing about computer...
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2014-08-01 02:58:57.
Quote Thread (2014-07-31 23:44:23) :
[box]<pthagnar> my dad could fuck ur dad
<dhok> p r o g r e s s[/box]
[box]<pthagnar> my dad could fuck ur dad
<dhok> p r o g r e s s[/box]
owned by Nessari, last edited 2014-07-31 23:44:23.
happiness thread (2014-07-31 21:19:59) :
sound change applier rules are a stupid DSL: the simpler the applier, the stupider the DSL
has anyone tried approaching the problem from the other way round -- rather than starting from HERE IS A PORKROM THAT TAKE A LISZT OF WERD AND DO x > y / _fart TO IT, then coming up with some special cases, and only exposing these few rules to the user, instead starting with a full scripting language and writing modules to cover some common cases, but without losing the full power of python, or...
sound change applier rules are a stupid DSL: the simpler the applier, the stupider the DSL
has anyone tried approaching the problem from the other way round -- rather than starting from HERE IS A PORKROM THAT TAKE A LISZT OF WERD AND DO x > y / _fart TO IT, then coming up with some special cases, and only exposing these few rules to the user, instead starting with a full scripting language and writing modules to cover some common cases, but without losing the full power of python, or...
owned by Pthagnar, last edited 2014-07-31 21:19:59.
happiness thread (2014-07-31 21:04:27) :
One idea is to have an entry field for strings of characters that must be treated as single characters. Using Zompist's SCA, I've often found myself resorting to such extravagant representations as Devanagari characters for phonemes that the Latin alphabet has trouble representing easily.
This SCA could set aside a block of rarely-used Unicode characters- say, Yi syllabics- and replace each string in this block with a character from this block. (The nice thing about computer programs is...
One idea is to have an entry field for strings of characters that must be treated as single characters. Using Zompist's SCA, I've often found myself resorting to such extravagant representations as Devanagari characters for phonemes that the Latin alphabet has trouble representing easily.
This SCA could set aside a block of rarely-used Unicode characters- say, Yi syllabics- and replace each string in this block with a character from this block. (The nice thing about computer programs is...
owned by dhok, last edited 2014-07-31 21:04:27.
Translat-o-matic (2014-07-31 17:45:05) :
My father's native language is English, I can understand and speak it.
[b]mano timano emotire yumatire yakava· ma sana to enata to puuta hopokava:[/b]
[g 1S-GEN]ma-no[/g] [g comother-GEN]tima-no[/g] [g birthmother-language.NOM]emo-tire[/g] [g Human-language.NOM]yuma-tire[/g] [g be-PRS-SENS]ya-ka-va[/g]
[g 1S.NOM]ma[/g] [g 3S.INAN-PTV]sa-na[/g] [g and]to[/g] [g understand-INF]ena-ta[/g] [g and]to[/g] [g speak-INF]puu-ta[/g] [g be.able-PRS-SENS]hopo-ka-va[/g]
[...
My father's native language is English, I can understand and speak it.
[b]mano timano emotire yumatire yakava· ma sana to enata to puuta hopokava:[/b]
[g 1S-GEN]ma-no[/g] [g comother-GEN]tima-no[/g] [g birthmother-language.NOM]emo-tire[/g] [g Human-language.NOM]yuma-tire[/g] [g be-PRS-SENS]ya-ka-va[/g]
[g 1S.NOM]ma[/g] [g 3S.INAN-PTV]sa-na[/g] [g and]to[/g] [g understand-INF]ena-ta[/g] [g and]to[/g] [g speak-INF]puu-ta[/g] [g be.able-PRS-SENS]hopo-ka-va[/g]
[...
owned by prettydragoon, last edited 2014-07-31 17:45:05.
happiness thread (2014-07-31 16:27:13) :
I think Ness's point is about rule contamination; without using an unambiguous intermediate representation, poorly-defined environmental descriptions can cause conflicts, e.g.
pʰ > p
p > b | m_
...when one desires that original mp > mb, but original mpʰ > mp (Presumably real examples are somewhat more complex.) As a programmer, of course, that just looks like an order-of-operations mistake, but, then, the standard formalism for representing sound changes seems d...
I think Ness's point is about rule contamination; without using an unambiguous intermediate representation, poorly-defined environmental descriptions can cause conflicts, e.g.
pʰ > p
p > b | m_
...when one desires that original mp > mb, but original mpʰ > mp (Presumably real examples are somewhat more complex.) As a programmer, of course, that just looks like an order-of-operations mistake, but, then, the standard formalism for representing sound changes seems d...
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2014-07-31 16:28:06.
happiness thread (2014-07-31 14:05:57) :
[quote Nessari]I think the issue is more that if you have situations XYZ where pʰ > p, it's fiendishly hard to get the rules to not treat the subsequent p along with original p, if that's what you want to do.
[/quote]
Sorry, I don't follow this.
[quote Nessari]I think the issue is more that if you have situations XYZ where pʰ > p, it's fiendishly hard to get the rules to not treat the subsequent p along with original p, if that's what you want to do.
[/quote]
Sorry, I don't follow this.
owned by Morrígan, last edited 2014-07-31 14:05:57.
happiness thread (2014-07-31 12:03:11) :
…
TIL you can post a completely blank message.
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TIL you can post a completely blank message.
owned by Nessari, last edited 2014-07-31 12:03:50.
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