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The Bad Maps Thread (2015-04-30 15:33:03) :
Here you go:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/KhJQVxm.png[/img]
Here you go:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/KhJQVxm.png[/img]
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-04-30 15:33:03.
dhoklang Scratchpad (2015-04-25 17:30:39) :
[15:17] <dhok> now I want to get back to that romance language spoken in the Azores that loses contact with the mainland by 400 AD
[15:17] <dhok> and retreats back to the neolithic
[15:18] <dhok> so it doesn't participate in many of the pan-Romance changes that occur in the early Middle Ages
[15:18] <dhok> like breaking of *ɛ *ɔ (tbf Portuguese didn't do that one either)
[15:19] <dhok> you could probably keep a small case distinction too
[15:19] ...
[15:17] <dhok> now I want to get back to that romance language spoken in the Azores that loses contact with the mainland by 400 AD
[15:17] <dhok> and retreats back to the neolithic
[15:18] <dhok> so it doesn't participate in many of the pan-Romance changes that occur in the early Middle Ages
[15:18] <dhok> like breaking of *ɛ *ɔ (tbf Portuguese didn't do that one either)
[15:19] <dhok> you could probably keep a small case distinction too
[15:19] ...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-04-25 17:30:39.
dhoklang Scratchpad (2015-04-21 01:19:14) :
OK, onto some transitive sentences. Many, many transitive verbs are just intransitive verbs inflected with animate marking- for example, [b]phála[/b] means 'to be on fire' in the intransitive but 'to set on fire' in the transitive.
Order of core arguments, thanks to direct-inverse marking, is relatively free.
When you begin a narrative, if your object is intransitive, you're set: you don't need to do any obviation marking, at least not until a second animate enters the mix.
...
OK, onto some transitive sentences. Many, many transitive verbs are just intransitive verbs inflected with animate marking- for example, [b]phála[/b] means 'to be on fire' in the intransitive but 'to set on fire' in the transitive.
Order of core arguments, thanks to direct-inverse marking, is relatively free.
When you begin a narrative, if your object is intransitive, you're set: you don't need to do any obviation marking, at least not until a second animate enters the mix.
...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-04-21 15:39:41.
dhoklang Scratchpad (2015-04-21 10:16:05) :
There are twelve TAM particles; further TAM distinctions must be expressed by adverbs like [b]ə́ṭə[/b] 'long ago' or [b]dip[/b] 'tomorrow'. They fit into a fairly smooth three- by four-distinction matrix, inflecting for aspect and mood, but not tense.
* Aspect may be perfective, imperfective or habitual.
* Mood may be realis, irrealis, contrafactual or potential.
The default TAM inflection, which takes no particle, is the realis imperfective. A table of particles appea...
There are twelve TAM particles; further TAM distinctions must be expressed by adverbs like [b]ə́ṭə[/b] 'long ago' or [b]dip[/b] 'tomorrow'. They fit into a fairly smooth three- by four-distinction matrix, inflecting for aspect and mood, but not tense.
* Aspect may be perfective, imperfective or habitual.
* Mood may be realis, irrealis, contrafactual or potential.
The default TAM inflection, which takes no particle, is the realis imperfective. A table of particles appea...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-04-21 10:25:11.
dhoklang Scratchpad (2015-04-21 01:04:46) :
I didn't really want to work on that morphology paper anyways!
Anyways, nouns may be [i]animate[/i] or [i]inanimate[/i] in Sayə́m, and this only partially reflects reality: while it's true that [b]ṭoḍ[/b] 'stone' is inanimate and [b]khew[/b] 'woman' is animate, you also have pairs like animate [b]súthu[/b] 'deciduous tree' and inanimate [b]úṣo[/b] 'conifer'.
Animates in Sayə́m are allowed to take more inflection than inanimates: they may be marked for [i]obviation[/i] and [i]nu...
I didn't really want to work on that morphology paper anyways!
Anyways, nouns may be [i]animate[/i] or [i]inanimate[/i] in Sayə́m, and this only partially reflects reality: while it's true that [b]ṭoḍ[/b] 'stone' is inanimate and [b]khew[/b] 'woman' is animate, you also have pairs like animate [b]súthu[/b] 'deciduous tree' and inanimate [b]úṣo[/b] 'conifer'.
Animates in Sayə́m are allowed to take more inflection than inanimates: they may be marked for [i]obviation[/i] and [i]nu...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-04-21 01:04:46.
dhoklang Scratchpad (2015-04-20 23:39:58) :
Renamed since the various incarnations of CQ don't actually have very much to do with each other and I'd like to sidetrack temporarily into a mostly isolating-ish family which will be easier to work with. I'm still unsure where this'll be spoken.
We will start with the phonology since I'm going to be boring for this family:
Voiced stops: /b d ɖ ɟ g/ <b d ḍ j g>
Voiceless stops: /p t ʈ c k/ <p t ṭ c k>
Aspirated stops: /pʰ tʰ ʈʰ cʰ kʰ/ <ph th ṭh ch k>...
Renamed since the various incarnations of CQ don't actually have very much to do with each other and I'd like to sidetrack temporarily into a mostly isolating-ish family which will be easier to work with. I'm still unsure where this'll be spoken.
We will start with the phonology since I'm going to be boring for this family:
Voiced stops: /b d ɖ ɟ g/ <b d ḍ j g>
Voiceless stops: /p t ʈ c k/ <p t ṭ c k>
Aspirated stops: /pʰ tʰ ʈʰ cʰ kʰ/ <ph th ṭh ch k>...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-04-20 23:57:05.
Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2015-04-17 13:29:38) :
oh god how do I say this in CQ
[b]ya-p'iko, kīntali-yak nek hasiq q'ohko-hē-Ø-ya-mōši[/b]
[i]3IN-be.true, Kindle-INST but much fast-3AN-3IN-read[/i]
That's true, but one reads much faster with a Kindle.
(crap, I need to get more acquainted with the languages I'm ripping off of before I try to say things like this...
oh god how do I say this in CQ
[b]ya-p'iko, kīntali-yak nek hasiq q'ohko-hē-Ø-ya-mōši[/b]
[i]3IN-be.true, Kindle-INST but much fast-3AN-3IN-read[/i]
That's true, but one reads much faster with a Kindle.
(crap, I need to get more acquainted with the languages I'm ripping off of before I try to say things like this...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-04-17 13:29:38.
Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2015-04-17 00:13:07) :
[b]kāh-kīntali θi-Ø-ya-māhka-ye wa![/b]
[i]new-Kindle 1s-DIR-3IN-buy-PST perf[/i]
I bought a new Kindle!
[b]cīka θi-qe-ya-šeŋa-tolā-ma wa[/b]
[i]tomorrow 3IN-INV-1s-towards-go-FUT perf.[/i]
It will arrive to me tomorrow.
[b]θi-Ø-ya-q'iye-ma hasi-[wa-ce-mōši-na-θa]-yak, Rasīya-k θi-Ø-ya-mōši-he-wā le.[/b]
[i]1s-DIR-3sIN-fill-FUT much-[3IN-PASS-read-pl-NOM]-INST, Russia-LOC 1s-DIR-3IN-read-POT-CONJ so.that[/i]
I will fill it with many books, so that ...
[b]kāh-kīntali θi-Ø-ya-māhka-ye wa![/b]
[i]new-Kindle 1s-DIR-3IN-buy-PST perf[/i]
I bought a new Kindle!
[b]cīka θi-qe-ya-šeŋa-tolā-ma wa[/b]
[i]tomorrow 3IN-INV-1s-towards-go-FUT perf.[/i]
It will arrive to me tomorrow.
[b]θi-Ø-ya-q'iye-ma hasi-[wa-ce-mōši-na-θa]-yak, Rasīya-k θi-Ø-ya-mōši-he-wā le.[/b]
[i]1s-DIR-3sIN-fill-FUT much-[3IN-PASS-read-pl-NOM]-INST, Russia-LOC 1s-DIR-3IN-read-POT-CONJ so.that[/i]
I will fill it with many books, so that ...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-04-17 00:13:07.
Classical Quazian Scratchpad (2015-04-15 13:13:05) :
Rebooting, now with more Algonquian. Phonology:
* Plain stops/affricates: /p t ts tʃ k kʷ/ <p t c č k q>
* Ejectives: /p' t' ts' tʃ' k' kʷ'/ <p' t' c' č' k' q'>
* Nasals: /m n ŋ/ <m n ŋ>
* Fricatives: /θ s ʃ h/ <θ s š h>
* Liquids: /w ɾ l j/ <w r l y>
Additionally, two phonemes /ɸ/ and /ɲ/ disappeared shortly before the advent of writing and can be reconstructed from modern dialects.
* Vowels: /i e a o i: e: a: o:/ <i e ...
Rebooting, now with more Algonquian. Phonology:
* Plain stops/affricates: /p t ts tʃ k kʷ/ <p t c č k q>
* Ejectives: /p' t' ts' tʃ' k' kʷ'/ <p' t' c' č' k' q'>
* Nasals: /m n ŋ/ <m n ŋ>
* Fricatives: /θ s ʃ h/ <θ s š h>
* Liquids: /w ɾ l j/ <w r l y>
Additionally, two phonemes /ɸ/ and /ɲ/ disappeared shortly before the advent of writing and can be reconstructed from modern dialects.
* Vowels: /i e a o i: e: a: o:/ <i e ...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-04-15 13:13:21.
A Grand Celtic Language (2015-04-13 21:39:55) :
You could start with Matasovic's [i]Dictionary of Proto-Celtic.[/i] You'd need to find your grammatical information elsewhere, however.
You could start with Matasovic's [i]Dictionary of Proto-Celtic.[/i] You'd need to find your grammatical information elsewhere, however.
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-04-13 21:39:55.
Sound Change Spreadsheet Discussion Thread (2015-04-11 21:36:31) :
I've included tags for changes. The spreadsheet has been updated with all the changes included in Goddard 1974 on Arapaho and Atsina, except for changes in accentuation, which were not very well understood at the time of writing (and to my knowledge still aren't really). Take a look!
I've included tags for changes. The spreadsheet has been updated with all the changes included in Goddard 1974 on Arapaho and Atsina, except for changes in accentuation, which were not very well understood at the time of writing (and to my knowledge still aren't really). Take a look!
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-04-11 21:38:05.
Sound Change Spreadsheet Discussion Thread (2015-04-11 16:14:54) :
Can you elaborate on the chain thing? I'm not familiar with it...
Can you elaborate on the chain thing? I'm not familiar with it...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-04-11 16:14:54.
Sound Change Spreadsheet Discussion Thread :
There are other threads like this out there, but we don't have one here. I've also heard murmuring in #isharia about making a database of sound changes, which probably won't go anywhere in the future, but so long as we're talking about it we may as well have a thread.
[b]Arapaho[/b] is probably the most unusual Algonquian language, diachronically. Here are some of the more notable changes from Proto-Algonquian to Arapaho:
* *k is deleted, unconditionally, in all environments, l...
There are other threads like this out there, but we don't have one here. I've also heard murmuring in #isharia about making a database of sound changes, which probably won't go anywhere in the future, but so long as we're talking about it we may as well have a thread.
[b]Arapaho[/b] is probably the most unusual Algonquian language, diachronically. Here are some of the more notable changes from Proto-Algonquian to Arapaho:
* *k is deleted, unconditionally, in all environments, l...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-04-11 11:37:31.
Sound Changes Thread (2015-04-11 11:31:33) :
A short IRC discussion about some problems I've run into with regards to changes from Arapaho, and what this means for the spreadsheet.
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[10:11] <dhok> ok so
[10:11] <dhok> everyone listen up
[10:11] <dhok> (h13 you too)
[10:12] <dhok> I have just finished spreadsheeting the sound changes found in a paper about Arapaho and Atsina
[10:12] <dhok> it has been a wealth of information
[10:12] <dhok> and al...
A short IRC discussion about some problems I've run into with regards to changes from Arapaho, and what this means for the spreadsheet.
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[10:11] <dhok> ok so
[10:11] <dhok> everyone listen up
[10:11] <dhok> (h13 you too)
[10:12] <dhok> I have just finished spreadsheeting the sound changes found in a paper about Arapaho and Atsina
[10:12] <dhok> it has been a wealth of information
[10:12] <dhok> and al...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-04-11 11:32:52.
Sound Changes Thread (2015-04-11 09:49:30) :
[url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gZcVg5Z7KbocYcxX5QavId7egmgBuE_QGBnjRFtCE2E/edit?usp=sharing]Done.[/url] Each family gets its own spreadsheet. Currently, it's set up in seven columns:
* The first column holds the proto-language. Originally, I just arranged it by extant language, but this makes it unclear whether (say) a Sanskrit change describes the fate of a sound in PIE or Proto-Indo-Iranian.
* The second column holds the target language.
* The third col...
[url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gZcVg5Z7KbocYcxX5QavId7egmgBuE_QGBnjRFtCE2E/edit?usp=sharing]Done.[/url] Each family gets its own spreadsheet. Currently, it's set up in seven columns:
* The first column holds the proto-language. Originally, I just arranged it by extant language, but this makes it unclear whether (say) a Sanskrit change describes the fate of a sound in PIE or Proto-Indo-Iranian.
* The second column holds the target language.
* The third col...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-04-11 10:32:02.
Quote Thread (2015-03-29 23:00:10) :
If someone can photoshop cat ears onto a photo of Nelson Rockefeller, I'll make it my avatar.
If someone can photoshop cat ears onto a photo of Nelson Rockefeller, I'll make it my avatar.
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-03-29 23:00:10.
What are you listening to? (2015-03-08 22:35:39) :
[youtube:H7_qdHYwZRA]
AЛЯСКА СТРОНГ
(remove cheeseburger REMOVE CHEESEBURGER)
[youtube:H7_qdHYwZRA]
AЛЯСКА СТРОНГ
(remove cheeseburger REMOVE CHEESEBURGER)
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-03-08 22:35:39.
Old Thuthic Scratchpad (2015-03-08 11:59:28) :
[quote hwhatting, Disinterest]No vowel harmony? I mean, come on, it's surrounded by Finno-Ugrics... ;-)[/quote]
So was Slavic- and /i e a o u ɨ/ is a pretty Slavic vowel system.
[quote hwhatting, Disinterest]No vowel harmony? I mean, come on, it's surrounded by Finno-Ugrics... ;-)[/quote]
So was Slavic- and /i e a o u ɨ/ is a pretty Slavic vowel system.
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-03-08 11:59:28.
Old Thuthic Scratchpad :
[no_emote]Because just one language isn't enough.
Old Thuthic is a Satem language of the IE stock that is attested from the 900s AD in what is now Karelia. Its verbal system is Greco-Aryan in origin, but under influence from the surrounding languages has become much more transparent.
Since I'm starting to get tired, I'm just going to post some sound correspondences. Note that aspirates lengthen a preceding vowel.
*p -> f
*b -> p
*bʰ -> :p
*t ->...
[no_emote]Because just one language isn't enough.
Old Thuthic is a Satem language of the IE stock that is attested from the 900s AD in what is now Karelia. Its verbal system is Greco-Aryan in origin, but under influence from the surrounding languages has become much more transparent.
Since I'm starting to get tired, I'm just going to post some sound correspondences. Note that aspirates lengthen a preceding vowel.
*p -> f
*b -> p
*bʰ -> :p
*t ->...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-03-07 10:44:11.
Old Thuthic Scratchpad (2015-03-07 10:18:16) :
[no_emote]
I'm going to skip doing anything about nouns right now, because I suspect Thuthic, like Tocharian, is going to drop a bunch of peripheral cases and then reinvent a whole bunch of new ones. Instead we'll look at the verbs.
Verbs distinguish past from present from future, perfective from imperfective (only in past tense), and indicative from "subjunctive" (really optative) mood. Originally this was along a Greco-Aryan line, but the system has become much more transpare...
[no_emote]
I'm going to skip doing anything about nouns right now, because I suspect Thuthic, like Tocharian, is going to drop a bunch of peripheral cases and then reinvent a whole bunch of new ones. Instead we'll look at the verbs.
Verbs distinguish past from present from future, perfective from imperfective (only in past tense), and indicative from "subjunctive" (really optative) mood. Originally this was along a Greco-Aryan line, but the system has become much more transpare...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-03-07 10:41:27.
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