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Sound Change Appliers (2015-07-27 11:20:44) :
Tried running
C:\Users\<my name>\Desktop\haedus-sca-0.5.0\toolbox.bat pq_rules.rule
and got an error message "Unable to access jarfile toolbox-sca-0.5.0.jar".
Sorry if I sound naggy- I'm just totally unfamiliar with the ins and outs of command prompt.
(EDIT:
[10:23] <dhok> I tried running
[10:23] <dhok> C:\Users\Campbell\Desktop\haedus-sca-0.5.0\toolbox.bat pq_rules.rule
[10:23] <dhok> and got an error message
...
Tried running
C:\Users\<my name>\Desktop\haedus-sca-0.5.0\toolbox.bat pq_rules.rule
and got an error message "Unable to access jarfile toolbox-sca-0.5.0.jar".
Sorry if I sound naggy- I'm just totally unfamiliar with the ins and outs of command prompt.
(EDIT:
[10:23] <dhok> I tried running
[10:23] <dhok> C:\Users\Campbell\Desktop\haedus-sca-0.5.0\toolbox.bat pq_rules.rule
[10:23] <dhok> and got an error message
...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-07-27 11:33:42.
Sound Change Appliers (2015-07-27 01:48:05) :
Woah. I've started a lexicon and some rules for a language family I'm working on, and...so elegant! so clear!
I haven't found any bugs yet, but if I do I'll let you know.
(I do have an idea for a feature that could be useful, though I don't know how easy it would be- would it be possible to tie adjacent rules together so that they run at the same time, so that you don't have to worry about their ordering? For example, I've got a vowel lowering rule in Quomonak where *i lo...
Woah. I've started a lexicon and some rules for a language family I'm working on, and...so elegant! so clear!
I haven't found any bugs yet, but if I do I'll let you know.
(I do have an idea for a feature that could be useful, though I don't know how easy it would be- would it be possible to tie adjacent rules together so that they run at the same time, so that you don't have to worry about their ordering? For example, I've got a vowel lowering rule in Quomonak where *i lo...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-07-27 02:23:22.
dhoklang Scratchpad (NP: Algonquitut?) (2015-07-27 01:12:03) :
Sound changes for Quomonakian, revamped. Also I'm clearly going to need to redo the map, but never mind that...
[b]Very Early Changes, c.-3000 to c.-2500[/b]
Many of these changes can be found in other branches as well.
1. Initial glide-vowel reduction
The weak vowels /e ɨ/ merge with a preceding glide into the vocalic version of that glide when word-initial. Schematically:
we wɨ -> o / #_
ye yɨ -> i / #_
So, *weyɨ̄ *yente -&g...
Sound changes for Quomonakian, revamped. Also I'm clearly going to need to redo the map, but never mind that...
[b]Very Early Changes, c.-3000 to c.-2500[/b]
Many of these changes can be found in other branches as well.
1. Initial glide-vowel reduction
The weak vowels /e ɨ/ merge with a preceding glide into the vocalic version of that glide when word-initial. Schematically:
we wɨ -> o / #_
ye yɨ -> i / #_
So, *weyɨ̄ *yente -&g...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-07-27 01:50:36.
dhoklang Scratchpad (NP: Algonquitut?) (2015-07-25 22:14:31) :
Aaaaand since I'm not in the mood to work on a redo of Old Quomonak's diachronics I'll move onto fucking around with one of the other branches, tentatively referred to as Western Steppe Nahtak. This branch shares a few early changes with Old Quomonakian:
a) the reduction of initial *we/*wɨ, *ye/*yɨ segments to *o *i;
b) the merger of *r and *l into a single phoneme *l;
c) merger of *θC clusters into *sC clusters;
d) loss of *ʔ in *ʔR clusters (where *R = /w ...
Aaaaand since I'm not in the mood to work on a redo of Old Quomonak's diachronics I'll move onto fucking around with one of the other branches, tentatively referred to as Western Steppe Nahtak. This branch shares a few early changes with Old Quomonakian:
a) the reduction of initial *we/*wɨ, *ye/*yɨ segments to *o *i;
b) the merger of *r and *l into a single phoneme *l;
c) merger of *θC clusters into *sC clusters;
d) loss of *ʔ in *ʔR clusters (where *R = /w ...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-07-26 02:33:39.
dhoklang Scratchpad (NP: Algonquitut?) (2015-07-26 01:45:30) :
A crappy map of the major branches of Nahtak.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/WyGBQgj.png[/img]
Tomorrow I'll probably make a diagram of the major branches with isoglosses. Thinner lines represent closer relationships, so that the Thanahapic languages are more closely related to the Western Steppe languages than they are to the Inland Quomonak languages. This doesn't show isoglosses that stretch across subfamilies or are broken by an intervening family. For example, while it's true tha...
A crappy map of the major branches of Nahtak.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/WyGBQgj.png[/img]
Tomorrow I'll probably make a diagram of the major branches with isoglosses. Thinner lines represent closer relationships, so that the Thanahapic languages are more closely related to the Western Steppe languages than they are to the Inland Quomonak languages. This doesn't show isoglosses that stretch across subfamilies or are broken by an intervening family. For example, while it's true tha...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-07-26 02:14:41.
dhoklang Scratchpad (NP: Algonquitut?) (2015-07-25 02:39:25) :
Couple executive decisions on the phonology: I'm going to kill the ejective series because I hardly ever use it, it feels weird, and most of the wacky sound changes are deriving from clusters and the like anyways (I've started sketching out sound changes for branch II).
An updated cluster table:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/4oWu5Jj.png[/img]
[s]Additionally, clusters beginning with /N θ s š/ are allowed word-initially.[/s] No initial clusters.
Allowed word-final co...
Couple executive decisions on the phonology: I'm going to kill the ejective series because I hardly ever use it, it feels weird, and most of the wacky sound changes are deriving from clusters and the like anyways (I've started sketching out sound changes for branch II).
An updated cluster table:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/4oWu5Jj.png[/img]
[s]Additionally, clusters beginning with /N θ s š/ are allowed word-initially.[/s] No initial clusters.
Allowed word-final co...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-07-25 17:32:36.
dhoklang Scratchpad (NP: Algonquitut?) (2015-07-24 01:26:59) :
OK, onto verbs. Verbs in Proto-Nahtak still feature noun incorporation, but it's Inuktitut-style rather than Algonquian-style, which means that any noun- once stripped of any inflectional morphology, except prenouns which may stay- can take one of a couple hundred "postbases" which turns it into the object of a transitive verb.
For example, the noun [i]nismā[/i] 'potato' can take a verbal postbase [i]-yakʷ-[/i] 'eat' to create [i]nismā-yakʷ-[/i] 'to eat a potato'. Postbases are recursiv...
OK, onto verbs. Verbs in Proto-Nahtak still feature noun incorporation, but it's Inuktitut-style rather than Algonquian-style, which means that any noun- once stripped of any inflectional morphology, except prenouns which may stay- can take one of a couple hundred "postbases" which turns it into the object of a transitive verb.
For example, the noun [i]nismā[/i] 'potato' can take a verbal postbase [i]-yakʷ-[/i] 'eat' to create [i]nismā-yakʷ-[/i] 'to eat a potato'. Postbases are recursiv...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-07-24 01:26:59.
dhoklang Scratchpad (NP: Algonquitut?) (2015-07-23 21:10:20) :
OK, a redo on the nouns. The main categories are basically the same as previously, except that inanimates can be marked for obviation and are allowed to possess things.
Also a minor phonological change: I'm no longer going to mark word-initial glottal stop since it isn't really phonemic. I should also probably flesh out word-medial clusters better too but eh.
So, the template for nouns is:
[possessive prefix]-[prenoun]-stem-[obviation/plurality]-[locative/vocative/ins...
OK, a redo on the nouns. The main categories are basically the same as previously, except that inanimates can be marked for obviation and are allowed to possess things.
Also a minor phonological change: I'm no longer going to mark word-initial glottal stop since it isn't really phonemic. I should also probably flesh out word-medial clusters better too but eh.
So, the template for nouns is:
[possessive prefix]-[prenoun]-stem-[obviation/plurality]-[locative/vocative/ins...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-07-23 21:25:48.
Quote Thread (2015-07-18 04:15:41) :
<travisb> hmm there might be a use to mechanical rape machines - ironically suppressing prison rape - put cameras in the prison, and if someone is caught raping someone, strap them to the mechanical rape machine, and let it rip
<travisb> hmm there might be a use to mechanical rape machines - ironically suppressing prison rape - put cameras in the prison, and if someone is caught raping someone, strap them to the mechanical rape machine, and let it rip
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-07-18 04:15:41.
dhoklang Scratchpad (NP: Algonquitut?) :
I'd been working on Classical Quazian morphosyntax for a long while before it became clear that the morphosyntax was neither coherent nor comprehensible, and I could barely wrap my head around the language.
Resultingly, I'm redoing the language's morphosyntax. The phonology is nearly but not completely finalized, but since I'm trying to get the morphosyntax in place first, that's neither here nor there.
A few general principles guide Classical Quazian morphosyntax. These are no...
I'd been working on Classical Quazian morphosyntax for a long while before it became clear that the morphosyntax was neither coherent nor comprehensible, and I could barely wrap my head around the language.
Resultingly, I'm redoing the language's morphosyntax. The phonology is nearly but not completely finalized, but since I'm trying to get the morphosyntax in place first, that's neither here nor there.
A few general principles guide Classical Quazian morphosyntax. These are no...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-07-10 01:55:35.
dhoklang Scratchpad (NP: Algonquoclone) (2015-07-10 00:41:40) :
OK, gonna give the verbal system a good redo, and the nominal system a bit of a redo. I'm keeping the gender, obviation and direct/inverse distinctions but allowing inanimates to be subjects and going for Inuktitut-style incorporation rather than Algonquian-style. I'm not in the mood to redo the morphosyntax at the moment, though.
OK, gonna give the verbal system a good redo, and the nominal system a bit of a redo. I'm keeping the gender, obviation and direct/inverse distinctions but allowing inanimates to be subjects and going for Inuktitut-style incorporation rather than Algonquian-style. I'm not in the mood to redo the morphosyntax at the moment, though.
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-07-10 00:41:40.
dhoklang Scratchpad (NP: Algonquoclone) (2015-07-09 18:21:43) :
[i]Old Quomonak Nouns[/i]
Old Quomonak is generally fairly conservative grammatically (and phonologically): it retains the noun system of PN pretty much intact. Again, this is the template:
[possession]-[prenoun]-[stem]-[obviation/plurality]-[locative, vocative, instrumental]-[possession].
Widespread coda and occasionally initial changes have led to the development of two stems for many nouns. The citation form is usually standalone noun, noun possessed by 1sg argument...
[i]Old Quomonak Nouns[/i]
Old Quomonak is generally fairly conservative grammatically (and phonologically): it retains the noun system of PN pretty much intact. Again, this is the template:
[possession]-[prenoun]-[stem]-[obviation/plurality]-[locative, vocative, instrumental]-[possession].
Widespread coda and occasionally initial changes have led to the development of two stems for many nouns. The citation form is usually standalone noun, noun possessed by 1sg argument...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-07-09 18:46:42.
dhoklang Scratchpad (NP: Algonquoclone) (2015-07-09 17:46:03) :
Taking a break from verbs to start work on the first daughter, Old Quomonak (kʷomonak- I reserve the right to change the name later on, since I'm not sure what this will mean), which will be the ancestor of the language of my main conculture. We'll start with some sound changes, and then move onto nouns and then eventually verbs, which I expect to be a bit of a clusterfuck, but hopefully analogy will present some solutions to straighten it all out.
The calendar of my main conculture sta...
Taking a break from verbs to start work on the first daughter, Old Quomonak (kʷomonak- I reserve the right to change the name later on, since I'm not sure what this will mean), which will be the ancestor of the language of my main conculture. We'll start with some sound changes, and then move onto nouns and then eventually verbs, which I expect to be a bit of a clusterfuck, but hopefully analogy will present some solutions to straighten it all out.
The calendar of my main conculture sta...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-07-09 18:44:09.
dhoklang Scratchpad (NP: Algonquoclone) (2015-06-25 16:01:09) :
OK, onto nouns. We'll start with animates, since they have more inflection than inanimates. Animate nouns inflect for possession, number, and obviation; they have locative and vocative forms.
All nouns in addition can take prenouns, a closed class of descriptive prefixes which basically act like adjectives in European languages. (There is no lexical class of adjective in Proto-Nahtak- their functions are handled by prenouns and stative verbs). The template for a noun is:
...
OK, onto nouns. We'll start with animates, since they have more inflection than inanimates. Animate nouns inflect for possession, number, and obviation; they have locative and vocative forms.
All nouns in addition can take prenouns, a closed class of descriptive prefixes which basically act like adjectives in European languages. (There is no lexical class of adjective in Proto-Nahtak- their functions are handled by prenouns and stative verbs). The template for a noun is:
...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-07-09 18:42:45.
dhoklang Scratchpad (NP: Algonquoclone) (2015-07-09 16:15:06) :
[i]VAIs[/i]
We are now beginning to get into the meat of the verbal system, with real person marking. Because these verbs are intransitive, there's still no polypersonal or direct/inverse marking, but we will see some incorporation. The template is pretty much the same as that for VIIs:
[personal marking/order]-(TAM)-(preverbs)-verb root-(voice/number marking)-(medials)-(more TAM)-(finals)
but we'll actually see some medials in play.
[b]Personal Marking/Order...
[i]VAIs[/i]
We are now beginning to get into the meat of the verbal system, with real person marking. Because these verbs are intransitive, there's still no polypersonal or direct/inverse marking, but we will see some incorporation. The template is pretty much the same as that for VIIs:
[personal marking/order]-(TAM)-(preverbs)-verb root-(voice/number marking)-(medials)-(more TAM)-(finals)
but we'll actually see some medials in play.
[b]Personal Marking/Order...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-07-09 16:28:00.
dhoklang Scratchpad (NP: Algonquoclone) (2015-07-09 02:39:27) :
OK, time to make myself a mug of coffee and figure out the verbal system.
There are four categories of verb in Proto-Nahtak: intransitives with inanimate subjects (VII), intransitives with animate subjects (VIA), transitives with inanimate objects (VTI), and transitives with animate objects (VTA). (Inanimates can't be subjects of transitive verbs). We'll run through each of these in turn.
[i]VII[/i]
Intransitive verbs with inanimate subjects are arguably the easiest to...
OK, time to make myself a mug of coffee and figure out the verbal system.
There are four categories of verb in Proto-Nahtak: intransitives with inanimate subjects (VII), intransitives with animate subjects (VIA), transitives with inanimate objects (VTI), and transitives with animate objects (VTA). (Inanimates can't be subjects of transitive verbs). We'll run through each of these in turn.
[i]VII[/i]
Intransitive verbs with inanimate subjects are arguably the easiest to...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-07-09 02:40:01.
Strange Sound Changes Thread :
I've recently been perusing various articles about the historical development of the Algonquian languages, and there are enough strange sound changes floating around in the family that I thought it would be a good idea to start a thread to collect out-of-the-ordinary sound changes.
[b]Shawnee[/b] had an unconditional (so far as I can tell; cf. Miller, 1959, [i]An Outline of Shawnee Historical Phonology[/i]) change *s -> θ. (EDIT: H13 informs me over IRC that this isn't actually a wei...
I've recently been perusing various articles about the historical development of the Algonquian languages, and there are enough strange sound changes floating around in the family that I thought it would be a good idea to start a thread to collect out-of-the-ordinary sound changes.
[b]Shawnee[/b] had an unconditional (so far as I can tell; cf. Miller, 1959, [i]An Outline of Shawnee Historical Phonology[/i]) change *s -> θ. (EDIT: H13 informs me over IRC that this isn't actually a wei...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-07-02 20:18:41.
dhoklang Scratchpad (NP: Algonquoclone) (2015-06-25 19:20:31) :
Yeah, it's inclusive first person. Note that it takes a second-person prefix but a first-person suffix.
Yeah, it's inclusive first person. Note that it takes a second-person prefix but a first-person suffix.
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-06-25 19:20:31.
dhoklang Scratchpad (NP: Algonquoclone) (2015-06-24 04:50:50) :
Finally have a proto-lang and daughter changes that I really, really like, and that I think I can run with. We'll call it [b]Proto-Nahtak[/b], from [i]nahtāk[/i] 'people, tribe'. Briefly, its phonology is as follows:
Plain stops/affricates: /p t ts tʃ k kʷ ʔ/ <p t c č k kʷ ʔ>
Ejectives: /p' t' ts' tʃ' k' kʷ'/ <p' t' c' č' k' kʷ'>
Nasals: /m n ŋ/ <m n ŋ>
Fricatives: /θ s ʃ h ɬ/ <θ s š h ł>
Liquids: /w ɾ l j/ <w r l y>
Short vowels: /...
Finally have a proto-lang and daughter changes that I really, really like, and that I think I can run with. We'll call it [b]Proto-Nahtak[/b], from [i]nahtāk[/i] 'people, tribe'. Briefly, its phonology is as follows:
Plain stops/affricates: /p t ts tʃ k kʷ ʔ/ <p t c č k kʷ ʔ>
Ejectives: /p' t' ts' tʃ' k' kʷ'/ <p' t' c' č' k' kʷ'>
Nasals: /m n ŋ/ <m n ŋ>
Fricatives: /θ s ʃ h ɬ/ <θ s š h ł>
Liquids: /w ɾ l j/ <w r l y>
Short vowels: /...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-06-24 04:50:50.
What are you listening to? (2015-05-19 15:00:42) :
Guilty pleasure music. Very guilty.
[youtube:gHCgp-jA8SY]
Guilty pleasure music. Very guilty.
[youtube:gHCgp-jA8SY]
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-05-19 15:00:42.
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