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Information on Tibeto-Burman wanted :
While I am waiting for my USB drive to come in the mail containing quite a few Tibeto-Burman grammars amongst others, I am wondering if anyone has any significant information on Tibeto-Burman lying around to help me work on a Tibeto-Burman conlang. I did find an online interface to STEDT, which will provide quite a bit of information on PTB roots and forms in reconstructed and present-day Tibeto-Burman languages. However, this does not say much about the [i]structure[/i] of Tibeto-Burman languag...
While I am waiting for my USB drive to come in the mail containing quite a few Tibeto-Burman grammars amongst others, I am wondering if anyone has any significant information on Tibeto-Burman lying around to help me work on a Tibeto-Burman conlang. I did find an online interface to STEDT, which will provide quite a bit of information on PTB roots and forms in reconstructed and present-day Tibeto-Burman languages. However, this does not say much about the [i]structure[/i] of Tibeto-Burman languag...
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Ness's Travelogue (2014-04-09 21:18:02) :
Nice to hear that you are having a good time with your trip!
Nice to hear that you are having a good time with your trip!
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Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2014-04-09 18:21:35) :
[b]Sita lińa mana gieradewå sita seila pedepa?[/b]
[g any]sita[/g] [g here]liɲa[/g] [g person.NOM-]ma[/g][g NOM.SG]na[/g] [g talk-]ɣiə̯[/g][g able_to-]ra[/g][g NOM.3SG.A-]ðɛ[/g][g SUBJ]wɒ[/g] [g any]sita[/g] [g thing.NOM-]sɛi̯[/g][g GEN.SG-]l[/g][g NOM.SG]a[/g] [g exist-]pɛ[/g][g NOM.3SG.A=]ðɛ[/g][g INT]pa[/g]
Is there anything anyone here could talk about?
[b]Sita lińa mana gieradewå sita seila pedepa?[/b]
[g any]sita[/g] [g here]liɲa[/g] [g person.NOM-]ma[/g][g NOM.SG]na[/g] [g talk-]ɣiə̯[/g][g able_to-]ra[/g][g NOM.3SG.A-]ðɛ[/g][g SUBJ]wɒ[/g] [g any]sita[/g] [g thing.NOM-]sɛi̯[/g][g GEN.SG-]l[/g][g NOM.SG]a[/g] [g exist-]pɛ[/g][g NOM.3SG.A=]ðɛ[/g][g INT]pa[/g]
Is there anything anyone here could talk about?
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Speak in Your Premodern Conlang Thread (2014-04-05 18:45:03) :
[b]Sita mana wopedepa?[/b]
[g any]sita[/g] [g person.NOM-]ma[/g][g NOM.SG]na[/g] [g here-]wɔ[/g][g exist-]pɛ[/g][g NOM.3SG.A=]ðɛ[/g][g INT]pa[/g]
Is anyone here?
[b]Sita mana wopedepa?[/b]
[g any]sita[/g] [g person.NOM-]ma[/g][g NOM.SG]na[/g] [g here-]wɔ[/g][g exist-]pɛ[/g][g NOM.3SG.A=]ðɛ[/g][g INT]pa[/g]
Is anyone here?
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Meet the Peseneyi (2014-04-05 18:19:49) :
I haven't had the courage to come up with a language with only verb stems, but it is probably doable. Having gerunds would mean that you would still have nouns, ultimately - I do not see how eliminating nouns altogether would work.
I haven't had the courage to come up with a language with only verb stems, but it is probably doable. Having gerunds would mean that you would still have nouns, ultimately - I do not see how eliminating nouns altogether would work.
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Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2014-04-04 00:35:27) :
[b]Cekaĺata.[/b]
[g thank-]tsɛka[/g][g ACC.2SG-]ʎa[/g][g NOM.1SG]ta[/g]
Thank you.
[b]Cekaĺata.[/b]
[g thank-]tsɛka[/g][g ACC.2SG-]ʎa[/g][g NOM.1SG]ta[/g]
Thank you.
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Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2014-04-03 21:34:03) :
[b]Rieraśitei weta seidid rineborahaśinewåpa?[/b]
[g understand-]riə̯[/g][g able_to-]ra[/g][g ACC.3SG.A-]ɕi[/g][g NOM.1PL]tɛi̯[/g] [g some]wɛta[/g] [g thing.DAT-]sɛi̯[/g][g ACC.SG-]ði[/g][g DAT.SG]ð[/g] [g across-]rinɛ[/g][g put-]βɔ[/g][g able_to-]ra[/g][g DAT.3SG.A-]xa[/g][g ACC.3SG.A-]ɕi[/g][g NOM.2SG-]nɛ[/g][g SUBJ=]wɒ[/g][g INT]pa[/g]
Could you translate that into something we can understand?
[b]Rieraśitei weta seidid rineborahaśinewåpa?[/b]
[g understand-]riə̯[/g][g able_to-]ra[/g][g ACC.3SG.A-]ɕi[/g][g NOM.1PL]tɛi̯[/g] [g some]wɛta[/g] [g thing.DAT-]sɛi̯[/g][g ACC.SG-]ði[/g][g DAT.SG]ð[/g] [g across-]rinɛ[/g][g put-]βɔ[/g][g able_to-]ra[/g][g DAT.3SG.A-]xa[/g][g ACC.3SG.A-]ɕi[/g][g NOM.2SG-]nɛ[/g][g SUBJ=]wɒ[/g][g INT]pa[/g]
Could you translate that into something we can understand?
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Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2014-04-02 20:12:21) :
[b]Danede![/b]
[g unfortunate-]ðanɛ[/g][g NOM.3SG.A]ðɛ[/g]
That sucks!
[b]Danede![/b]
[g unfortunate-]ðanɛ[/g][g NOM.3SG.A]ðɛ[/g]
That sucks!
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Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2014-04-02 02:59:02) :
[b]Śe bé nilkka nammisehabå ki gyrémegasikeletiha coréteiwå weta nusi teśadåwåpa.[/b]
[g MED]ɕɛ[/g] [g 1.CARD]βe[/g] [g thread.NOM-]nilkː[/g][g NOM.SG]a[/g] [g empty-]namːi[/g][g ABST-]sɛx[/g][g ALL.SG]aβɒ[/g] [g no]ki[/g] [g back-]ɣy[/g][g speak-]re[/g][g INST-]mɛɣa[/g][g expect-]sikɛ[/g][g ABST-]lɛt[/g][g COM.SG]ixa[/g] [g into-]tsɔ[/g][g speak-]re[/g][g NOM.1PL-]tɛi̯[/g][g SUBJ]wɒ[/g] [g some]wɛta[/g] [g place.ACC-]nu[/g][g LOC.SG-]s[/g][g ACC.SG]i[/g] [g be-]tɛ[/g][g ACC.3SG.C-]ɕa[/g][g ...
[b]Śe bé nilkka nammisehabå ki gyrémegasikeletiha coréteiwå weta nusi teśadåwåpa.[/b]
[g MED]ɕɛ[/g] [g 1.CARD]βe[/g] [g thread.NOM-]nilkː[/g][g NOM.SG]a[/g] [g empty-]namːi[/g][g ABST-]sɛx[/g][g ALL.SG]aβɒ[/g] [g no]ki[/g] [g back-]ɣy[/g][g speak-]re[/g][g INST-]mɛɣa[/g][g expect-]sikɛ[/g][g ABST-]lɛt[/g][g COM.SG]ixa[/g] [g into-]tsɔ[/g][g speak-]re[/g][g NOM.1PL-]tɛi̯[/g][g SUBJ]wɒ[/g] [g some]wɛta[/g] [g place.ACC-]nu[/g][g LOC.SG-]s[/g][g ACC.SG]i[/g] [g be-]tɛ[/g][g ACC.3SG.C-]ɕa[/g][g ...
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Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2014-04-01 00:12:58) :
[b]Linese![/b]
[g welcome-]linɛ[/g][g PASS.STAT]sɛ[/g]
Welcome!
[b]Linese![/b]
[g welcome-]linɛ[/g][g PASS.STAT]sɛ[/g]
Welcome!
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Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2014-03-31 02:03:28) :
[b]Neinaletis soudut ladibåbutawås śie konteksitas weta soudi siema déjośitawåci de juga jobutawådi móśita rake soudidut meeta ladibåbuta.[/b]
[g isolate-]nɛi̯na[/g][g ABST-]lɛt[/g][g LOC.SG]is[/g] [g thing.ACC-]sɔu̯[/g][g ACC.PL]ðut[/g] [g together-]laði[/g][g think-]βɒ[/g][g ACC.3PL.A-]βu[/g][g NOM.1SG-]ta[/g][g SUBJ-]wɒ[/g][g LOC.SG]s[/g] [g instead_of]ɕiə̯[/g] [g context.LOC-]kɒ̃ːtɛksit[/g][g LOC.SG]as[/g] [g some]wɛta[/g] [g thing.ACC-]sɔu̯[/g][g ACC.SG]ði[/g] [g specifically]siə̯ma[/g]...
[b]Neinaletis soudut ladibåbutawås śie konteksitas weta soudi siema déjośitawåci de juga jobutawådi móśita rake soudidut meeta ladibåbuta.[/b]
[g isolate-]nɛi̯na[/g][g ABST-]lɛt[/g][g LOC.SG]is[/g] [g thing.ACC-]sɔu̯[/g][g ACC.PL]ðut[/g] [g together-]laði[/g][g think-]βɒ[/g][g ACC.3PL.A-]βu[/g][g NOM.1SG-]ta[/g][g SUBJ-]wɒ[/g][g LOC.SG]s[/g] [g instead_of]ɕiə̯[/g] [g context.LOC-]kɒ̃ːtɛksit[/g][g LOC.SG]as[/g] [g some]wɛta[/g] [g thing.ACC-]sɔu̯[/g][g ACC.SG]ði[/g] [g specifically]siə̯ma[/g]...
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Obsessed with Dwarf Fortress, Send Help (2014-03-30 02:07:49) :
As for /p/, it is the case that if any voiceless stop is going to be missing, it is /p/, so the lack of /p/ does not require a chain shift. This implies that the creator of Dorfish is not linguistically naive, as a linguistically-naive English-speaker would normally include /p/.
And the language could just have a lot of words starting with vowels (which is not unknown in natlangs), because if all these onset-less words were due to consonant loss, either there was an overabundance of a s...
As for /p/, it is the case that if any voiceless stop is going to be missing, it is /p/, so the lack of /p/ does not require a chain shift. This implies that the creator of Dorfish is not linguistically naive, as a linguistically-naive English-speaker would normally include /p/.
And the language could just have a lot of words starting with vowels (which is not unknown in natlangs), because if all these onset-less words were due to consonant loss, either there was an overabundance of a s...
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Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2014-03-28 02:26:15) :
[b]Magul réd nulkin koba mee wabunttei.[/b]
[g language.GEN-]ma[/g][g POSS.2SG-]ɣu[/g][g GEN.SG]l[/g] [g speak-]re[/g][g DAT.SG]ð[/g] [g thread.ACC-]nulk[/g][g ACC.DU]ɪ̃ː[/g] [g past.now]kɔβa[/g] [g however]mɛː[/g] [g have-]wa[/g][g ACC.3DU.B-]βʊ̃ːt[/g][g NOM.1PL]tɛi̯[/g]
We already have two speak-in-your-language threads though.
[b]Magul réd nulkin koba mee wabunttei.[/b]
[g language.GEN-]ma[/g][g POSS.2SG-]ɣu[/g][g GEN.SG]l[/g] [g speak-]re[/g][g DAT.SG]ð[/g] [g thread.ACC-]nulk[/g][g ACC.DU]ɪ̃ː[/g] [g past.now]kɔβa[/g] [g however]mɛː[/g] [g have-]wa[/g][g ACC.3DU.B-]βʊ̃ːt[/g][g NOM.1PL]tɛi̯[/g]
We already have two speak-in-your-language threads though.
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Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2014-03-28 00:19:00) :
[b]Rake tél ladibose rake pellut ladibåbadel puetede.[/b]
[g novel]rakɛ[/g] [g manner-]te[/g][g GEN.SG]l[/g] [g together-]laði[/g][g put-]βɔ[/g][g PASS.STAT]sɛ[/g] [g novel]rakɛ[/g] [g saying.ACC-]pɛlː[/g][g ACC.PL]ut[/g] [g together-]laði[/g][g think-]βɒ[/g][g ACC.3PL.B-]βa[/g][g NOM.3SG.A-]ðɛ[/g][g GEN.SG]l[/g] [g difficult-]puə̯tɛ[/g][g NOM.3SG.A]ðɛ[/g]
It is hard to come up with novel sayings structured in novel ways.
[b]Rake tél ladibose rake pellut ladibåbadel puetede.[/b]
[g novel]rakɛ[/g] [g manner-]te[/g][g GEN.SG]l[/g] [g together-]laði[/g][g put-]βɔ[/g][g PASS.STAT]sɛ[/g] [g novel]rakɛ[/g] [g saying.ACC-]pɛlː[/g][g ACC.PL]ut[/g] [g together-]laði[/g][g think-]βɒ[/g][g ACC.3PL.B-]βa[/g][g NOM.3SG.A-]ðɛ[/g][g GEN.SG]l[/g] [g difficult-]puə̯tɛ[/g][g NOM.3SG.A]ðɛ[/g]
It is hard to come up with novel sayings structured in novel ways.
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Speak in Your Premodern Conlang Thread (2014-03-27 19:35:20) :
[b]Méttåt tyńebå kusesawåci de merranåsesawå.[/b]
[g ancestor.NOM-]metː[/g][g NOM.PL]ɒt[/g] [g garbage.ALL-]tyɲ[/g][g ALL.SG]ɛβɒ[/g] [g name-]ku[/g][g PASS.STAT-]sɛ[/g][g NOM.3PL.A-]sa[/g][g SUBJ-]wɒ[/g][g ABL.SG]tsi[/g] [g trigger]ðɛ[/g] [g respect-]mɛrːa[/g][g OPP-]nɒ[/g][g PASS.STAT-]sɛ[/g][g NOM.3PL.A-]sa[/g][g SUBJ]wɒ[/g]
It would be disrespectful to our ancestors to call them garbage.
[b]Méttåt tyńebå kusesawåci de merranåsesawå.[/b]
[g ancestor.NOM-]metː[/g][g NOM.PL]ɒt[/g] [g garbage.ALL-]tyɲ[/g][g ALL.SG]ɛβɒ[/g] [g name-]ku[/g][g PASS.STAT-]sɛ[/g][g NOM.3PL.A-]sa[/g][g SUBJ-]wɒ[/g][g ABL.SG]tsi[/g] [g trigger]ðɛ[/g] [g respect-]mɛrːa[/g][g OPP-]nɒ[/g][g PASS.STAT-]sɛ[/g][g NOM.3PL.A-]sa[/g][g SUBJ]wɒ[/g]
It would be disrespectful to our ancestors to call them garbage.
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Speak in Your Premodern Conlang Thread (2014-03-27 17:53:15) :
[b]Tińelérajukut tekabusa nei kagela mijukut wińe tebusa.[/b]
[g garbage-]tiɲɛ[/g][g dump-]lera[/g][g PLACE-]juk[/g][g ACC.PL]ut[/g] [g be-]tɛ[/g][g NEG-]ka[/g][g ACC.3PL.A-]βu[/g][g NOM.3PL.A]sa[/g] [g and]nɛi̯[/g] [g end-]kaɣɛ[/g][g ADJ]la[/g] [g stay-]mi[/g][g PLACE-]juk[/g][g ACC.PL]ut[/g] [g however]wiɲɛ[/g] [g be-]tɛ[/g][g ACC.3PL.A-]βu[/g][g NOM.3PL.A]sa[/g]
They are not a garbage dumps and rather are final resting places.
[b]Tińelérajukut tekabusa nei kagela mijukut wińe tebusa.[/b]
[g garbage-]tiɲɛ[/g][g dump-]lera[/g][g PLACE-]juk[/g][g ACC.PL]ut[/g] [g be-]tɛ[/g][g NEG-]ka[/g][g ACC.3PL.A-]βu[/g][g NOM.3PL.A]sa[/g] [g and]nɛi̯[/g] [g end-]kaɣɛ[/g][g ADJ]la[/g] [g stay-]mi[/g][g PLACE-]juk[/g][g ACC.PL]ut[/g] [g however]wiɲɛ[/g] [g be-]tɛ[/g][g ACC.3PL.A-]βu[/g][g NOM.3PL.A]sa[/g]
They are not a garbage dumps and rather are final resting places.
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Obsessed with Dwarf Fortress, Send Help (2014-03-27 00:04:17) :
What reason do you have to believe that <th> is an ejective (there is no <kh> in the corpus), especially since <h> is practically never used to mark ejectives?
What reason do you have to believe that <th> is an ejective (there is no <kh> in the corpus), especially since <h> is practically never used to mark ejectives?
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Obsessed with Dwarf Fortress, Send Help (2014-03-25 22:44:03) :
From reading that over, I would guess that <th> and <c> could also be /θ/ and /tʃ/, especially since the creators of Dorfish are most likely non-linguistically-aware English-speakers, and /θ/ and /tʃ/ are naturally sounds that a non-linguistically-aware English-speaker would put in a conlang.
From reading that over, I would guess that <th> and <c> could also be /θ/ and /tʃ/, especially since the creators of Dorfish are most likely non-linguistically-aware English-speakers, and /θ/ and /tʃ/ are naturally sounds that a non-linguistically-aware English-speaker would put in a conlang.
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vidē: Şerau Teršelainja (2014-03-23 18:05:45) :
No. I am reading the paragraph alongside its gloss right below it. I am just commenting that that'd be easier to read if each [i]word[/i] in the text were above its gloss, rather than just each paragraph.
No. I am reading the paragraph alongside its gloss right below it. I am just commenting that that'd be easier to read if each [i]word[/i] in the text were above its gloss, rather than just each paragraph.
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vidē: Şerau Teršelainja (2014-03-22 23:23:04) :
One suggestion: use [g ] to place the gloss alongside your text within the spoiler tags, ras currently I can only keep track of where your gloss is within your text is when there are obvious names therein.
One suggestion: use [g ] to place the gloss alongside your text within the spoiler tags, ras currently I can only keep track of where your gloss is within your text is when there are obvious names therein.
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