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Methinat Scratchpad (2015-09-26 19:53:54) :
So, it seems likely that the oldest amphidynamic pattern was é/ó-ø-s ~ ø-é-m̥ ~ ø-ø-és (nom ~ acc ~ gen (all amphidynamic nouns are in fact masculine). The newer hysterokinetic and amphikinetic patterns are offshots from this, with various further developments. Therefore, I'm going to take Methinat from a region that never underwent those developments, to make things easier (although, in the long run, I don't think it much matters). Now, this pattern does itself have an interesting two-fold deve...
So, it seems likely that the oldest amphidynamic pattern was é/ó-ø-s ~ ø-é-m̥ ~ ø-ø-és (nom ~ acc ~ gen (all amphidynamic nouns are in fact masculine). The newer hysterokinetic and amphikinetic patterns are offshots from this, with various further developments. Therefore, I'm going to take Methinat from a region that never underwent those developments, to make things easier (although, in the long run, I don't think it much matters). Now, this pattern does itself have an interesting two-fold deve...
owned by KathTheDragon, last edited 2015-09-27 08:30:25.
Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2015-09-26 22:53:31) :
[b]Qa gwon sʼogwuto yi qadrow sʼōprow gye qšâta kyi łeydnowt.[/b]
[qa ɡʷɔ̃ tsʼoɡʷuto ji qadrow tsʼɔːprow dʑe qʃɐːtɐ tɕi ɬejdnowt]
[g DEF]Qa[/g][g -3SI]-∅[/g] [g two]gw[/g][g -ORD]-n[/g][g -3SI]-∅[/g] [g day]sʼgwu[/g][g -SI]-t[/g][g -LOC]-wo[/g] [g at_time]yi[/g] [g skill]qadr[/g][g -NISB]-ow[/g][g -3SI]-∅[/g] [g mark_down]sʼōp[/g][g -ARG]-r[/g][g -NISB]-ow[/g][g -3SI]-∅[/g] [g again]gy[/g] [g see]q[/g][g -INST]-š[/g][g -SI]-t[/g][g -ALL]-d[/g] [g to]kyi[/g] [g invite]łeyd[/g][g -PERF]-n[...
[b]Qa gwon sʼogwuto yi qadrow sʼōprow gye qšâta kyi łeydnowt.[/b]
[qa ɡʷɔ̃ tsʼoɡʷuto ji qadrow tsʼɔːprow dʑe qʃɐːtɐ tɕi ɬejdnowt]
[g DEF]Qa[/g][g -3SI]-∅[/g] [g two]gw[/g][g -ORD]-n[/g][g -3SI]-∅[/g] [g day]sʼgwu[/g][g -SI]-t[/g][g -LOC]-wo[/g] [g at_time]yi[/g] [g skill]qadr[/g][g -NISB]-ow[/g][g -3SI]-∅[/g] [g mark_down]sʼōp[/g][g -ARG]-r[/g][g -NISB]-ow[/g][g -3SI]-∅[/g] [g again]gy[/g] [g see]q[/g][g -INST]-š[/g][g -SI]-t[/g][g -ALL]-d[/g] [g to]kyi[/g] [g invite]łeyd[/g][g -PERF]-n[...
owned by Travis B., last edited 2015-09-26 22:53:31.
Quote Thread (2015-09-23 16:20:28) :
[22:09:50] <Legion> is it because electrons are magnetic dipoles that they always want to be in pairs?
[22:10:29] <Yatalac> electrons wanna be in pairs because they are committed to the idea of the nuclear family
[22:09:50] <Legion> is it because electrons are magnetic dipoles that they always want to be in pairs?
[22:10:29] <Yatalac> electrons wanna be in pairs because they are committed to the idea of the nuclear family
owned by Jipí, last edited 2015-09-23 16:20:28.
Methinat Scratchpad (2015-09-22 21:08:00) :
I actually got a lot of my ideas from reading about Tocharian. The role of ə specifically, as will be expanded upon soon, was shamelessly stolen straight from there.
Yes, that's the outcome of the palatalisation, with ś coming via ź, with the same development of the aspiratae to fricatives as Italic.
In regards to accent, I'm a little torn as to exactly what to do. Having read many of Kloekhorst's articles on the accent-ablaut system, I've been forced to abandon some notions, w...
I actually got a lot of my ideas from reading about Tocharian. The role of ə specifically, as will be expanded upon soon, was shamelessly stolen straight from there.
Yes, that's the outcome of the palatalisation, with ś coming via ź, with the same development of the aspiratae to fricatives as Italic.
In regards to accent, I'm a little torn as to exactly what to do. Having read many of Kloekhorst's articles on the accent-ablaut system, I've been forced to abandon some notions, w...
owned by KathTheDragon, last edited 2015-09-22 21:08:00.
Methinat Scratchpad (2015-09-22 14:40:41) :
This is looking very interesting...like Tocharian, it's got this sense of being almost a "standard IE language", but not quite there.
I'm assuming /c j ś/ are from *ḱ *ǵ *ǵʰ? At first I assumed ś was from *ḱ as in Balto-Slavic and Sanskrit and got a bit confused...
Also, it's cool that you worked accent out...I find the accent system reconstructed for PIE so complicated that I usually don't bother with it. (Now I'm starting to get the PIE bug...)
Also, while we're talk...
This is looking very interesting...like Tocharian, it's got this sense of being almost a "standard IE language", but not quite there.
I'm assuming /c j ś/ are from *ḱ *ǵ *ǵʰ? At first I assumed ś was from *ḱ as in Balto-Slavic and Sanskrit and got a bit confused...
Also, it's cool that you worked accent out...I find the accent system reconstructed for PIE so complicated that I usually don't bother with it. (Now I'm starting to get the PIE bug...)
Also, while we're talk...
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-09-22 14:41:52.
Methinat Scratchpad (2015-09-21 10:32:42) :
Ok, now for the nominal morphology. I'll leave accent-ablaut for later, since it's such a difficult question (and there are lots of difference answers to consider). For this post, we'll do endings.
The surviving cases at this point are nominative, accusative, genitive, dative, locative, and instrumental. I don't believe that PIE had an ablative case, and the allative was apparently already on its way out. The PIE terminations were as follows:
[table][tr]
[th|rowspan=2][/t...
Ok, now for the nominal morphology. I'll leave accent-ablaut for later, since it's such a difficult question (and there are lots of difference answers to consider). For this post, we'll do endings.
The surviving cases at this point are nominative, accusative, genitive, dative, locative, and instrumental. I don't believe that PIE had an ablative case, and the allative was apparently already on its way out. The PIE terminations were as follows:
[table][tr]
[th|rowspan=2][/t...
owned by KathTheDragon, last edited 2015-09-22 14:22:56.
Methinat Scratchpad (2015-09-21 07:48:34) :
Heh, the merger of a and o comes up pretty soon after this. And the loss of labialisation was pretty recent. On the laryngeals, they merge into ʔ (probably via h before s debuccalised). They still colour vowels as normal (so h₁e, h₂e, h₃e > ʔe, ʔa, ʔo). They are lost immediately after this phase (in the normal way, with compensatory lengthening after vowels, simple loss otherwise).
Thanks! I've done several PIElangs now and then, but I've never quite been happy with how they've turne...
Heh, the merger of a and o comes up pretty soon after this. And the loss of labialisation was pretty recent. On the laryngeals, they merge into ʔ (probably via h before s debuccalised). They still colour vowels as normal (so h₁e, h₂e, h₃e > ʔe, ʔa, ʔo). They are lost immediately after this phase (in the normal way, with compensatory lengthening after vowels, simple loss otherwise).
Thanks! I've done several PIElangs now and then, but I've never quite been happy with how they've turne...
owned by KathTheDragon, last edited 2015-09-21 10:03:06.
Methinat Scratchpad (2015-09-21 04:24:23) :
A Satem language that retains an a-o distinction? (Edit: wait, it sounds like the laryngeals are treated somewhat differently from the core branches- details?)
Otherwise, this looks really interesting! Do you have a list of sound changes worked out? How conservative is the grammar?
A Satem language that retains an a-o distinction? (Edit: wait, it sounds like the laryngeals are treated somewhat differently from the core branches- details?)
Otherwise, this looks really interesting! Do you have a list of sound changes worked out? How conservative is the grammar?
owned by dhok, last edited 2015-09-21 04:27:10.
Methinat Scratchpad (2015-09-20 13:40:14) :
So, I'm going to start with the phonology of the earliest attested phase of the language, termed Ancient Methinat, spoken around 2100 BC. The most major phonological developments from PIE include palatalisation of the front dorsals, resolution of the syllabic consonants (including laryngeals), fricativisation of the aspirates, merger of the laryngeals, and loss of labialisation. All this change produces the following inventory:
[table][tr]
[th|colspan=2][/th][th]Labial[/th][t...
So, I'm going to start with the phonology of the earliest attested phase of the language, termed Ancient Methinat, spoken around 2100 BC. The most major phonological developments from PIE include palatalisation of the front dorsals, resolution of the syllabic consonants (including laryngeals), fricativisation of the aspirates, merger of the laryngeals, and loss of labialisation. All this change produces the following inventory:
[table][tr]
[th|colspan=2][/th][th]Labial[/th][t...
owned by KathTheDragon, last edited 2015-09-20 13:40:14.
Methinat Scratchpad :
I've been working on this conlang (Methinat) for several months now, but never [i]quite[/i] been satisfied with it. As general background, it's a PIElang spoken in a concountry of mine in a collaborative conworld. Enough said, really. Now, I'm determined to get everything worked out, so I'm just going to post my rambling musings here, since I haven't much used Anthologica otherwise, and it's about time I gave it some love. To be continued in the next post...
I've been working on this conlang (Methinat) for several months now, but never [i]quite[/i] been satisfied with it. As general background, it's a PIElang spoken in a concountry of mine in a collaborative conworld. Enough said, really. Now, I'm determined to get everything worked out, so I'm just going to post my rambling musings here, since I haven't much used Anthologica otherwise, and it's about time I gave it some love. To be continued in the next post...
owned by KathTheDragon, last edited 2015-09-20 12:10:39.
Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2015-09-20 11:52:36) :
[b]Asmadec na lher te eu ton aer s'oide [i]vessestar-ve[/i] tir [i]vestre[/i]; en aget not manfoig is nansagat aradnetàntid na "vesdar s'estenjor n'ont malís".[/b]
I forgot to say that you can use the reflexive with [i]vestre[/i] "to rest", but in that case the form of the verb is full and it retains its original meaning: [i]vessester-ve[/i] "to untighten oneself".
[b]Asmadec na lher te eu ton aer s'oide [i]vessestar-ve[/i] tir [i]vestre[/i]; en aget not manfoig is nansagat aradnetàntid na "vesdar s'estenjor n'ont malís".[/b]
I forgot to say that you can use the reflexive with [i]vestre[/i] "to rest", but in that case the form of the verb is full and it retains its original meaning: [i]vessester-ve[/i] "to untighten oneself".
owned by Izambri, last edited 2015-09-20 11:52:36.
Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2015-09-19 18:10:49) :
[b]Qa gwon sʼogwuto yi qa râla ġneyt xnyi yirġan stʼēlyöwt.[/b]
[qa ɡʷɔ̃ tsʼoɡʷuto ji qa rɐːlɐ ʁnejt χɲi jirʁã stʼɛːʎøwt]
[g DEF]Qa[/g][g -3SI]-∅[/g] [g two]gw[/g][g -ORD]-n[/g][g -3SI]-∅[/g] [g day]sʼgwu[/g][g -SI]-t[/g][g -LOC]-wo[/g] [g at_time]yi[/g] [g DEF]qa[/g][g -3SI]-∅[/g] [g previous]râl[/g][g -3SI]-∅[/g] [g week]ġney[/g][g -SI]-t[/g][g -ABS]-∅[/g] [g than]xnyi[/g] [g other]ʸirġ[/g][g -ADV]-m[/g] [g train]stʼāl[/g][g -IPFV]-y[/g][g -WIT]-ow[/g][g -1S]-t.[/g]
I will be trai...
[b]Qa gwon sʼogwuto yi qa râla ġneyt xnyi yirġan stʼēlyöwt.[/b]
[qa ɡʷɔ̃ tsʼoɡʷuto ji qa rɐːlɐ ʁnejt χɲi jirʁã stʼɛːʎøwt]
[g DEF]Qa[/g][g -3SI]-∅[/g] [g two]gw[/g][g -ORD]-n[/g][g -3SI]-∅[/g] [g day]sʼgwu[/g][g -SI]-t[/g][g -LOC]-wo[/g] [g at_time]yi[/g] [g DEF]qa[/g][g -3SI]-∅[/g] [g previous]râl[/g][g -3SI]-∅[/g] [g week]ġney[/g][g -SI]-t[/g][g -ABS]-∅[/g] [g than]xnyi[/g] [g other]ʸirġ[/g][g -ADV]-m[/g] [g train]stʼāl[/g][g -IPFV]-y[/g][g -WIT]-ow[/g][g -1S]-t.[/g]
I will be trai...
owned by Travis B., last edited 2015-09-19 18:10:49.
Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2015-09-19 14:07:39) :
[b]Aez brancavac. Audí vestri.[/b]
I trained yesterday. Today I rest.
[b]Aez brancavac. Audí vestri.[/b]
I trained yesterday. Today I rest.
owned by Izambri, last edited 2015-09-19 14:07:39.
Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2015-09-17 22:31:35) :
[b]Yêtho yi stʼālnrowt.[/b]
[jeːtʰo ji stʼaːlnrowt]
[g today]Yex[/g][g -SI]-t[/g][g -LOC]-wo[/g] [g at_time]yi[/g] [g train]stʼāl[/g][g -PERF]-n[/g][g -TERM]-r[/g][g -WIT]-ow[/g][g -1S]-t.[/g]
I finished training today.
[b]Yêtho yi stʼālnrowt.[/b]
[jeːtʰo ji stʼaːlnrowt]
[g today]Yex[/g][g -SI]-t[/g][g -LOC]-wo[/g] [g at_time]yi[/g] [g train]stʼāl[/g][g -PERF]-n[/g][g -TERM]-r[/g][g -WIT]-ow[/g][g -1S]-t.[/g]
I finished training today.
owned by Travis B., last edited 2015-09-17 22:31:35.
Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2015-09-17 21:51:21) :
[b]Mōwo fa ġyēt həl ānbranow.[/b]
[mɔːwo fɐ ɣʲɛːt hɨl ãːbrɐnow]
[g there]Mā[/g][g -LOC]-wo[/g] [g outside]fa[/g] [g still]ġyēt[/g] [g lately]həl[/g] [g warm]ānbr[/g][g -PERF]-n[/g][g -WIT]-ow[/g][g -3SI]-∅.[/g]
It has still been warm outside lately.
[b]Mōwo fa ġyēt həl ānbranow.[/b]
[mɔːwo fɐ ɣʲɛːt hɨl ãːbrɐnow]
[g there]Mā[/g][g -LOC]-wo[/g] [g outside]fa[/g] [g still]ġyēt[/g] [g lately]həl[/g] [g warm]ānbr[/g][g -PERF]-n[/g][g -WIT]-ow[/g][g -3SI]-∅.[/g]
It has still been warm outside lately.
owned by Travis B., last edited 2015-09-17 21:51:21.
I don't know my password! (2015-09-17 17:26:42) :
Thanks!
Thanks!
owned by Matrix, last edited 2015-09-17 17:26:42.
Speak in Your Conlang Thread (2015-09-17 10:47:03) :
[b]S'onç na se lam fure.[/b]
It's the coffee milk hour.
[i]The hour of the brown milk[/i]
[b]Is fitsetursi n'anget èu is 5 na berms, està igença pereram iseu ont pars.[/b]
This year's autumn equinox falls on September 23, but summer will last longer here.
[b]S'onç na se lam fure.[/b]
It's the coffee milk hour.
[i]The hour of the brown milk[/i]
[b]Is fitsetursi n'anget èu is 5 na berms, està igença pereram iseu ont pars.[/b]
This year's autumn equinox falls on September 23, but summer will last longer here.
owned by Izambri, last edited 2015-09-17 10:47:54.
I don't know my password! (2015-09-17 08:30:58) :
Go to your browser's security settings. There's a button that shows you your saved passwords/logins. In the dialog that pops up, click "Show Passwords" and search for anthologi.ca. Voilà.
Go to your browser's security settings. There's a button that shows you your saved passwords/logins. In the dialog that pops up, click "Show Passwords" and search for anthologi.ca. Voilà.
owned by Jipí, last edited 2015-09-17 08:30:58.
I don't know my password! :
Hey, I'm Matrix, as should be evident through my username. I don't remember what my password is. Firefox knows what it is, but only for the regular URL that keeps going down, and has been down for weeks now. So, I can't log in to the dynamic url, which is why I'm doing this.
Hey, I'm Matrix, as should be evident through my username. I don't remember what my password is. Firefox knows what it is, but only for the regular URL that keeps going down, and has been down for weeks now. So, I can't log in to the dynamic url, which is why I'm doing this.
owned by Matrix's Sockpuppet, last edited 2015-09-16 23:16:39.
Bugs, Requests, and Changes (2015-09-14 18:55:14) :
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owned by twabs, last edited 2015-09-14 18:55:14.
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