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Isharian-1 (2018-10-09 00:59:25) :
[quote Rhetorica, Kelatetía: Dis, Major Belt 1]Woah, hold up. Kabyle has two approximants and two trills, not just a [spoiler]weeby[/spoiler] tap. It's very out-of-place to have such an undiverse PoA given how many series of plosives and fricatives there are.
And now a rant about transliteration schemes.
As far as I can tell from their Wikipedia recordings, [ʕ] is barely audible, and contrast between [ħ] and [h] is ridiculously hard to hear. If you want those sounds, make them ...
[quote Rhetorica, Kelatetía: Dis, Major Belt 1]Woah, hold up. Kabyle has two approximants and two trills, not just a [spoiler]weeby[/spoiler] tap. It's very out-of-place to have such an undiverse PoA given how many series of plosives and fricatives there are.
And now a rant about transliteration schemes.
As far as I can tell from their Wikipedia recordings, [ʕ] is barely audible, and contrast between [ħ] and [h] is ridiculously hard to hear. If you want those sounds, make them ...
owned by con quesa, last edited 2018-10-09 00:59:25.
On words, lexicons and etymologies (2018-10-08 20:13:55) :
Lilitika unfortunately has some of the most tedious fruit and vegetable names imaginable; they mostly boil down to a colour + a part of plant anatomy, like galotúze (yellow-leg/root) for potato, or bosekhrona (rich ovum/fruit.) The history of this is somewhat worth noting; prior to the Exodus they had no control over their food at all, and were fed a slurry of mixed plants of questionable nutritive value, since the native life on the planet was biochemically incompatible. The discovery of the so...
Lilitika unfortunately has some of the most tedious fruit and vegetable names imaginable; they mostly boil down to a colour + a part of plant anatomy, like galotúze (yellow-leg/root) for potato, or bosekhrona (rich ovum/fruit.) The history of this is somewhat worth noting; prior to the Exodus they had no control over their food at all, and were fed a slurry of mixed plants of questionable nutritive value, since the native life on the planet was biochemically incompatible. The discovery of the so...
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2018-10-08 20:13:55.
Isharian-1 (2018-10-08 19:44:23) :
Woah, hold up. Kabyle has two approximants and two trills, not just a [spoiler]weeby[/spoiler] tap. It's very out-of-place to have such an undiverse PoA given how many series of plosives and fricatives there are.
And now a rant about transliteration schemes.
As far as I can tell from their Wikipedia recordings, [ʕ] is barely audible, and contrast between [ħ] and [h] is ridiculously hard to hear. If you want those sounds, make them allophones, not distinct phonemes. Even if they...
Woah, hold up. Kabyle has two approximants and two trills, not just a [spoiler]weeby[/spoiler] tap. It's very out-of-place to have such an undiverse PoA given how many series of plosives and fricatives there are.
And now a rant about transliteration schemes.
As far as I can tell from their Wikipedia recordings, [ʕ] is barely audible, and contrast between [ħ] and [h] is ridiculously hard to hear. If you want those sounds, make them allophones, not distinct phonemes. Even if they...
owned by Rhetorica, last edited 2018-10-08 19:44:23.
Isharian-1 (2018-10-08 02:47:04) :
I'm going to posit an [i]-a[/i] declension here, coining a noun "p'at-a", "stone"
[pre]
SG PL
NOM p'at-a p'at-u
GEN p'at-ak' p'at-uk'
DAT p'at-abi p'at-ob
INST p'at-awa p'at-uma
[/pre]
[i]Sošn-a wek'ne-s p'at-awa[/i]
Soshna:NOM fish-HAB stone-INST
"Soshna fishes with a stone"
[i]Sošn-a gaas wek'ne-d p'at-ak'[/i]
Soshna:NOM NEG...
I'm going to posit an [i]-a[/i] declension here, coining a noun "p'at-a", "stone"
[pre]
SG PL
NOM p'at-a p'at-u
GEN p'at-ak' p'at-uk'
DAT p'at-abi p'at-ob
INST p'at-awa p'at-uma
[/pre]
[i]Sošn-a wek'ne-s p'at-awa[/i]
Soshna:NOM fish-HAB stone-INST
"Soshna fishes with a stone"
[i]Sošn-a gaas wek'ne-d p'at-ak'[/i]
Soshna:NOM NEG...
owned by con quesa, last edited 2018-10-08 02:47:04.
Isharian-1 (2018-10-08 02:32:54) :
[quote Serafín, 農, Canada]Suggested stress pattern: Word-initial, or near the beginning of the word (maybe there's derivational prefixes that never take stress?).
[quote con quesa, Layperson, California]For negation, why not copy English on this? A negative auxiliary verb analogous to "don't" transparently formed from an older negative particle, used in some TAM classes, with that same negative particle (let's say its [i]ga[/i] to be concrete) used for negation in other TAM contexts?
...
[quote Serafín, 農, Canada]Suggested stress pattern: Word-initial, or near the beginning of the word (maybe there's derivational prefixes that never take stress?).
[quote con quesa, Layperson, California]For negation, why not copy English on this? A negative auxiliary verb analogous to "don't" transparently formed from an older negative particle, used in some TAM classes, with that same negative particle (let's say its [i]ga[/i] to be concrete) used for negation in other TAM contexts?
...
owned by con quesa, last edited 2018-10-08 02:32:54.
Isharian-1 (2018-10-08 02:21:07) :
[quote Serafín, 農, Canada]
Suggested romanization:
/pʼ pʰ b tʼ tʰ d tʃʼ tʃʰ dʒ kʼ kʰ ɡ qʼ qʰ/ <p' p b t' t d c' c j k' k g q' q>
/f θ ð s ʃ x ħ ʕ h/ <f þ ð s S x H 3 h>
/w j/ <w y>
/m n ŋ/ <m n N>
/r/ <r>
The use of <H> is from Klingon and Arabic, <3> /ʕ/ is from Kabyle ɛ and Arabic, <N> is sometimes used for /ŋ/ when romanizing languages from India. Regarding /ʃ/ <S>... do we allow /sh/ to hap...
[quote Serafín, 農, Canada]
Suggested romanization:
/pʼ pʰ b tʼ tʰ d tʃʼ tʃʰ dʒ kʼ kʰ ɡ qʼ qʰ/ <p' p b t' t d c' c j k' k g q' q>
/f θ ð s ʃ x ħ ʕ h/ <f þ ð s S x H 3 h>
/w j/ <w y>
/m n ŋ/ <m n N>
/r/ <r>
The use of <H> is from Klingon and Arabic, <3> /ʕ/ is from Kabyle ɛ and Arabic, <N> is sometimes used for /ŋ/ when romanizing languages from India. Regarding /ʃ/ <S>... do we allow /sh/ to hap...
owned by con quesa, last edited 2018-10-08 02:21:07.
Isharian-1 (2018-10-07 17:02:42) :
Suggested stress pattern: Word-initial, or near the beginning of the word (maybe there's derivational prefixes that never take stress?).
[quote con quesa, Layperson, California]For negation, why not copy English on this? A negative auxiliary verb analogous to "don't" transparently formed from an older negative particle, used in some TAM classes, with that same negative particle (let's say its [i]ga[/i] to be concrete) used for negation in other TAM contexts?
[i]Soŝna ɡás wek'né[/i]...
Suggested stress pattern: Word-initial, or near the beginning of the word (maybe there's derivational prefixes that never take stress?).
[quote con quesa, Layperson, California]For negation, why not copy English on this? A negative auxiliary verb analogous to "don't" transparently formed from an older negative particle, used in some TAM classes, with that same negative particle (let's say its [i]ga[/i] to be concrete) used for negation in other TAM contexts?
[i]Soŝna ɡás wek'né[/i]...
owned by Serafín, last edited 2018-10-07 17:03:19.
Anthologica & iSharia Birthdays (2018-10-07 16:54:13) :
Mine is 8 June, pretty much regardless of time zone.
Mine is 8 June, pretty much regardless of time zone.
owned by bloodbath, Ph.D., last edited 2018-10-07 16:54:13.
Isharian-1 (2018-10-07 16:36:32) :
[quote con quesa, Layperson, California]Here's a potential phoneme inventory just to get that over with (all values IPA):
consonants:
pʼ pʰ b tʼ tʰ d tʃʼ tʃʰ dʒ kʼ kʰ ɡ
f s ʃ x h
w &nb...
[quote con quesa, Layperson, California]Here's a potential phoneme inventory just to get that over with (all values IPA):
consonants:
pʼ pʰ b tʼ tʰ d tʃʼ tʃʰ dʒ kʼ kʰ ɡ
f s ʃ x h
w &nb...
owned by Serafín, last edited 2018-10-07 16:50:45.
Isharian-1 (2018-10-06 22:22:15) :
For negation, why not copy English on this? A negative auxiliary verb analogous to "don't" transparently formed from an older negative particle, used in some TAM classes, with that same negative particle (let's say its [i]ga[/i] to be concrete) used for negation in other TAM contexts?
[i]Soŝna ɡás wek'né[/i]
Soŝna-NOM NEG.DO catch.fish
"Soshna doesn't catch fish"
[i]Soŝna ga móch'í wek'né[/i]
Soŝna-NOM NEG want.to catch.fish
"Soshna doesn't want to catch fish"...
For negation, why not copy English on this? A negative auxiliary verb analogous to "don't" transparently formed from an older negative particle, used in some TAM classes, with that same negative particle (let's say its [i]ga[/i] to be concrete) used for negation in other TAM contexts?
[i]Soŝna ɡás wek'né[/i]
Soŝna-NOM NEG.DO catch.fish
"Soshna doesn't catch fish"
[i]Soŝna ga móch'í wek'né[/i]
Soŝna-NOM NEG want.to catch.fish
"Soshna doesn't want to catch fish"...
owned by con quesa, last edited 2018-10-06 22:22:15.
Isharian-1 (2018-10-06 22:09:53) :
Here's a potential phoneme inventory just to get that over with (all values IPA):
consonants:
pʼ pʰ b tʼ tʰ d tʃʼ tʃʰ dʒ kʼ kʰ ɡ
f s ʃ x h
w j...
Here's a potential phoneme inventory just to get that over with (all values IPA):
consonants:
pʼ pʰ b tʼ tʰ d tʃʼ tʃʰ dʒ kʼ kʰ ɡ
f s ʃ x h
w j...
owned by con quesa, last edited 2018-10-06 22:13:32.
Isharian-1 (2018-10-06 18:56:15) :
I don't particularly care about the typology of the conlang. I'd be okay with something very analytic or something very synthetic, something with many affixes or something with a lot of root compounding, something with European-style standard negation (a single invariable particle before or after the verb) or something with a more exotic kind of standard negation, say, negative inflectional affixes that have a different tense system from that of positive (non-negative) verbs (cf. Mandarin bu4 an...
I don't particularly care about the typology of the conlang. I'd be okay with something very analytic or something very synthetic, something with many affixes or something with a lot of root compounding, something with European-style standard negation (a single invariable particle before or after the verb) or something with a more exotic kind of standard negation, say, negative inflectional affixes that have a different tense system from that of positive (non-negative) verbs (cf. Mandarin bu4 an...
owned by Serafín, last edited 2018-10-06 18:56:15.
What are you listening to? (2018-10-06 18:42:25) :
Also, another classic:
[youtube:OKDYyFf1s0I]
Also, another classic:
[youtube:OKDYyFf1s0I]
owned by bloodbath, Ph.D., last edited 2018-10-06 18:42:25.
Isharian-1 (2018-10-06 17:27:58) :
What sorts of typological features are people interested in exploring?
What sorts of typological features are people interested in exploring?
owned by con quesa, last edited 2018-10-06 17:27:58.
Isharian-1 :
[quote]<Slereah__> Let's make the #isharia conlang
<Slereah__> We will call it... isharian[/quote]
Is there any interest in making a collablang? It seems like it has never been tried in this community.
We were talking about it for a little bit, and a few people seemed interested, but without making a huge commitment to it. Which is very fair of course, collablang threads tend to move very fast.
I just hoped I'd have better luck making a collablang here......
[quote]<Slereah__> Let's make the #isharia conlang
<Slereah__> We will call it... isharian[/quote]
Is there any interest in making a collablang? It seems like it has never been tried in this community.
We were talking about it for a little bit, and a few people seemed interested, but without making a huge commitment to it. Which is very fair of course, collablang threads tend to move very fast.
I just hoped I'd have better luck making a collablang here......
owned by Serafín, last edited 2018-10-06 17:26:27.
Anthologica & iSharia Birthdays (2018-10-04 17:09:03) :
[quote Hallow XIII, 巴塞尔之子]November 27th. And happy belated birthday, Izambri![/quote]
Thank you! :)
[quote Hallow XIII, 巴塞尔之子]November 27th. And happy belated birthday, Izambri![/quote]
Thank you! :)
owned by Izambri, last edited 2018-10-04 17:09:03.
Anthologica & iSharia Birthdays (2018-10-04 16:00:39) :
November 27th. And happy belated birthday, Izambri!
November 27th. And happy belated birthday, Izambri!
owned by Hallow XIII, last edited 2018-10-04 16:00:39.
What are you listening to? (2018-10-02 17:39:13) :
One of my favorites. Also slightly relevant due to the recent passing of the lead singer of this song...
[youtube:7m8izf-oXY4]
One of my favorites. Also slightly relevant due to the recent passing of the lead singer of this song...
[youtube:7m8izf-oXY4]
owned by bloodbath, Ph.D., last edited 2018-10-02 17:39:13.
Quote Thread (2018-09-29 20:46:23) :
27-set-2018
<Izambri> I just know I want Disney far from me.
<Slereah_work> I went to Disneyland a few time
<Slereah_work> It's alright
<Slereah_work> I know a guy u see
<Slereah_work> He's like way into disney so he can get cheap ticket to disneyland
<Slereah_work> he's got like a fancy subscription to it
<Izambri> ugh
<@Whimemsz> did you just go to see the people walking around in animal costumes?
<Izambri&...
27-set-2018
<Izambri> I just know I want Disney far from me.
<Slereah_work> I went to Disneyland a few time
<Slereah_work> It's alright
<Slereah_work> I know a guy u see
<Slereah_work> He's like way into disney so he can get cheap ticket to disneyland
<Slereah_work> he's got like a fancy subscription to it
<Izambri> ugh
<@Whimemsz> did you just go to see the people walking around in animal costumes?
<Izambri&...
owned by Izambri, last edited 2018-09-29 20:46:23.
On words, lexicons and etymologies :
Sometimes —perhaps too often— I don't find enough interesting ideas or meanings to create new words for my conlang's lexicons. While I have protolanguages (and proto-roots) for my most developed conlangs, there are occasions where I just can't derive a word from a proto-root for whatever reason; for example:
• The proto-root has been exploited too much.
• The proto-root gives too ugly or bland words.
• I just don't want to play with p...
Sometimes —perhaps too often— I don't find enough interesting ideas or meanings to create new words for my conlang's lexicons. While I have protolanguages (and proto-roots) for my most developed conlangs, there are occasions where I just can't derive a word from a proto-root for whatever reason; for example:
• The proto-root has been exploited too much.
• The proto-root gives too ugly or bland words.
• I just don't want to play with p...
owned by Izambri, last edited 2018-09-29 14:52:43.
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